{"conversationCode":"192-017","tapeNumber":192,"conversationNumber":17,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-192-017","startDateTime":"1972-06-09T21:38:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-06-09T21:39:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Jun-1972","startTime":"5:38 PM","endDate":"9-Jun-1972","endTime":"5:39 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On June 9, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 5:38 pm to 5:39 pm. 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We've got to protect them, but we've got to make them ask for it, too."},{"start":9749.41,"end":9749.99,"text":"They've got to ask"},{"start":9851.66,"end":9852.04,"text":"Laurel?"},{"start":9853.78,"end":9854.6,"text":"Oh, yeah, yeah."},{"start":9854.7,"end":9854.98,"text":"Bye."},{"start":9855.9,"end":9857.06,"text":"No, no, no, no."},{"start":9857.1,"end":9858.18,"text":"Go ahead."},{"start":9858.2,"end":9861.14,"text":"I hope you're playing the game."},{"start":9861.92,"end":9863.11,"text":"No, no, no."},{"start":9863.17,"end":9864.23,"text":"Not a thing."},{"start":9864.27,"end":9865.15,"text":"Not a thing."},{"start":9865.23,"end":9865.75,"text":"Let it go."},{"start":9866.85,"end":9868.27,"text":"Let it go."},{"start":9868.73,"end":9870.43,"text":"Finish the game."},{"start":9870.47,"end":9871.47,"text":"Finish the game."},{"start":9871.49,"end":9871.73,"text":"No, no."},{"start":9871.75,"end":9879.52,"text":"I was just on the phone."},{"start":9879.58,"end":9880.12,"text":"Is that right?"},{"start":9881.09,"end":9882.45,"text":"I'd like you to know about that."},{"start":9882.47,"end":9884.25,"text":"Klein says he wants me to keep my mind open."},{"start":9884.33,"end":9886.39,"text":"I said I would."},{"start":9886.43,"end":9887.73,"text":"His argument is this."},{"start":9888.23,"end":9892.23,"text":"He wants a pro in there to handle the conventions and that sort of thing."},{"start":9895.14,"end":9900.18,"text":"Well, he can find a pro to do that."},{"start":9900.22,"end":9902.54,"text":"But it can't be Marty in there."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":9652,"end":9954,"startMethod":"llm-alignment","endMethod":"llm-alignment"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","originalFilename":["192a.mp3","192b.mp3"],"spliceSource":{"spliceType":"bigtape","sourceFiles":["192b.mp3"],"cutStart":9650.5,"cutEnd":9955.5,"adjustedStart":9650.5,"adjustedEnd":9955.5,"boundaryMethod":"llm-alignment","confidence":"high","splicedAt":"2026-09-18T14:10:23.339Z"},"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. 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