{"conversationCode":"193-004","tapeNumber":193,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-193-004","startDateTime":"1972-06-07T03:49:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-06-07T04:57:00.000Z","startDate":"6-Jun-1972","startTime":"11:49 PM","endDate":"7-Jun-1972","endTime":"12:57 AM","dateCertainty":"estimated","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David on an unknown date, sometime between 11:49 pm on June 6, 1972 and 12:57 am on June 7, 1972. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 193-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 193-4\n\nDate: Between June 6 and June 7, 1972\nTime: Between 11:49 pm, June 6 and 12:57 am, June 7, 1972\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with Charles W. Colson.\n\n[See Conversation No. 133-2; three items have been withdrawn]","filename":["193a.mp3","193b.mp3","193c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:18:27","tapeEnd":"00:43:59","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"193-003","nextCode":"193-005","tapeTranscriptFile":"193a.mp3,193b.mp3,193c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":1638.12,"end":1639.85,"text":"Tucker, can you hit that?"},{"start":1646.85,"end":1647.25,"text":"All right."},{"start":1650.52,"end":1655.46,"text":"Make this your return for free."},{"start":1655.74,"end":1662.33,"text":"Make, make, make some."},{"start":1664.21,"end":1664.99,"text":"That's that."},{"start":1666.8,"end":1668.42,"text":"I'm fine."},{"start":1670.52,"end":1670.74,"text":"I'm fine."},{"start":1671.26,"end":1672.56,"text":"That's going well."},{"start":1674.62,"end":1682.37,"text":"A bit, some, some, some weird things."},{"start":1682.97,"end":1683.43,"text":"So there."},{"start":1685.35,"end":1689.45,"text":"I don't have any preliminary from him on."},{"start":1816.48,"end":1816.67,"text":"All right."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":1107,"end":2633.5,"startMethod":"tape_time","endMethod":"silence"},"transcriptConfidence":"low","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Charles Colson convened at the Aspen Lodge at Camp David to discuss ongoing political initiatives and administrative tasks. The participants reviewed the status of various projects and addressed logistical concerns regarding their current agenda. Due to the fragmentary nature of the recording, no significant policy decisions or actionable directives are clearly articulated in this brief exchange.","topics":["Camp David","Political Strategy","White House Administration","Executive Coordination"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T09:54:46.640Z"},"topicSlugs":["camp-david","political-strategy","white-house-administration","executive-coordination"],"audioDurationSec":1532,"audioFiles":[{"file":"193a.mp3","bytes":117323893,"durationSec":7349.51,"bitrate":127708,"missing":false},{"file":"193b.mp3","bytes":117372021,"durationSec":7364.06,"bitrate":127507,"missing":false},{"file":"193c.mp3","bytes":62587408,"durationSec":3939.03,"bitrate":127112,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":true,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:33.573Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:01.825Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/193a.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/193b.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/193c.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/193-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/193/conversation-193-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}