Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 193 › Conversation 193-014

Nixon phone call with Colson on Supreme Court and Judicial appointments

Thursday, June 8, 1972 · 10:36 AM–11:25 AM ET · Camp David Hard Wire

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.Conversation193-014 on Tape 193 (tape position 02:04:31–02:20:37)StartThursday, June 8, 1972 at 10:36 AMEndThursday, June 8, 1972 at 11:25 AMRecording deviceCamp David Hard WireSourceNixon Library record for 193-014 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Charles Colson discuss strategies to leverage recent Supreme Court decisions as part of the administration's broader political messaging. They agree to instruct PR staff and administration speakers to emphasize how Nixon’s judicial appointments have fundamentally reshaped the Court. This effort is intended to promote the President's vision of achieving peace both domestically and internationally.

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2:06:50Help me, please.
2:19:18That sort of thing I'm all for.
2:19:36That's great.
2:19:36Incidentally, another good break we got was another good Supreme Court decision yesterday too.
2:19:42but this wasn't that great you know about the potter stewart and our four judges and i think if you could tell the the pr people i haven't seen much judgment using it do you think they ought to use how nixon's changed the court what do you think are we doing that or not probably
2:20:11So I was thinking of giving it to our speakers too.
2:20:14You know, when they talk about things, always change the court.
2:20:20I mean, peace at home as well as peace abroad.
2:20:23And they have cleared me about to do an actual bailiff's case.

NARA Description

On June 8, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 10:36 am to 11:25 am. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 193-014 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 193-14

Date: June 8, 1972
Time: 10:36-11:25 am
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

The President talked with Charles W. Colson.

[See Conversation No. 133-11; two items have been withdrawn]

Also recorded on June 8, 1972

  • 133-010 10:51 AM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 10:51 am and 10:56 am.
  • 193-013 10:51 AM · 14 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 10:51 am and 10:56 am.
  • 133-011 10:56 AM · 29 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone at Camp David from 10:56 am to 11:25 am.
  • 133-012 11:25 AM · 34 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:25 am and 12:30 pm.
  • 133-013 11:25 AM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:25 am and 12:31 pm.
  • 193-015 11:25 AM · 41 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:25 am and 12:31 pm.
  • 193-016 11:25 AM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:25 am and 12:31 pm.
  • 193-017 11:25 AM · 51 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:25 am and 12:31 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 193-014, June 8, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/193-014 (accessed October 8, 2026).