{"conversationCode":"193-017","tapeNumber":193,"conversationNumber":17,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-193-017","startDateTime":"1972-06-08T15:25:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-06-08T16:31:00.000Z","startDate":"8-Jun-1972","startTime":"11:25 AM","endDate":"8-Jun-1972","endTime":"12:31 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); Camp David Operator;","description":"On June 8, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:25 am and 12:31 pm. 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Kissinger\n\n               -President's activities\n               -Exposure\n         -Florida\n         -California\n\n    Public relations\n         -Monday\n                -The President’s trip to the Soviet Union\n                -Pictures\n                      -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon\n                            -Quality\n         -The Eye on Nixon\n                -Julie Nixon Eisenhower's book\n                      -Distribution\n         -Monday\n         -Mailing lists\n                -Computerization\n                -Classification\n                      -Supporters\n                -White House efforts\n                -Supporters\n                      -President’s previous trips to the Soviet Union and the People’s Republic\n                            of China [PRC]\n                      -President’s speeches\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 1m 8s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n    Stockholm Conference\n         -Vietnam\n               -Environment\n                    -Olaf Palme's statement\n                    -State Department reaction\n         -U.S. Ambassador To Sweden\n               -Jerome H. Holland\n\n              -Possible reassignment\n              -The President’s instructions\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 7m 59s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n    John D. Ehrlichman's schedule\n         -Return from trip\n         -Meeting with President\n\n    Domestic issues\n        -Revenue sharing\n              -Exposure\n                    -The President’s view\n        -Important issues\n              -Drugs\n              -Spending\n              -Taxes\n              -Inflation\n        -Positive domestic issues\n              -George W. Romney\n              -John A. Volpe\n              -Elliot L. Richardson\n              -Robert H. Finch\n              -Rogers C.B. Morton\n        -Environment issue\n              -Visibility\n                    -Expenditures\n              -Water bill\n              -Gerald R. Ford\n              -William D. Ruckelshaus\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 9m 26s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n    President's schedule\n         -Meeting with Kissinger\n         -Congressional committee appearance by President\n                -Walt W. Rostow [?]\n                -Propriety\n\n    Kissinger's role\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 5m 41s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n    Busing\n         -Constitutional amendment\n              -Charles W. 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Butz\n          -Conversation with Haldeman\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 5m 51s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n     President's schedule\n          -Ehrlichman\n                 -Draft for President\n\n     Irving Kristol\n\nThe President talked with the Camp David operator at an unknown time between 11:25 am and\n12:31 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 192-17A]\n\n[See Conversation No. 133-13]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n     Kevin P. Phillips column\n          -Colson\n\n     San Francisco exhibit on the PRC\n          -Television and press coverage\n               -San Francisco Chronicle\n               -San Francisco Examiner\n\n     Tour\n\n     Soviet Union exhibit\n\n     Italy\n             -Frank L. Rizzo's invitation from mayor of Rome\n\nCamp David operator talked with the President at an unknown time between 11:25 am and 12:31\npm.\n\n[See Conversation No. 133-14]\n\nHaldeman left at 12:31 pm.\n\n[End of telephone conversation]","filename":["193-017-splice.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:24:49","tapeEnd":"03:13:27","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. 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that"},{"start":8878.22,"end":8881.4,"text":"Better to come any place for a day."},{"start":8881.42,"end":8882.6,"text":"That's good."},{"start":8883.22,"end":8887.44,"text":"That's a good one."},{"start":8887.46,"end":8891.6,"text":"I'll place three days for that."},{"start":8891.62,"end":8891.82,"text":"Yep."},{"start":8893.47,"end":8893.83,"text":"Now that's..."},{"start":8893.91,"end":8894.33,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":8894.35,"end":8898.65,"text":"I was arguing for it just to get you further away, but you really, you don't need it."},{"start":8898.91,"end":8902.45,"text":"When you get up here, you're as far away as if you were in Moscow."},{"start":8902.49,"end":8904.61,"text":"That's absolutely true."},{"start":8904.79,"end":8905.93,"text":"And it..."},{"start":8906.76,"end":8929.85,"text":"And yet you have the advantage of you can like whisk Henry up for a couple of hours or anything like that so that you can maintain a, you certainly have an advantage of having him, well, 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No, I don't see any merit to it at all."},{"start":9949.1,"end":9956.1,"text":"If you're going to turn to domestic issues, any domestic issue, you ought to turn to some dramatic crusade on dope or, or, uh,"},{"start":9958.45,"end":9973.8,"text":"or something on the spending problem, spending tax and all that, or some non-inflation, if you do something like that, then nobody's going to listen to you or care."},{"start":9976.37,"end":9980.01,"text":"What I really expect is the positive domestic issues."},{"start":9983.24,"end":9988.62,"text":"And I really think that on the positive domestic issues, we've made our record."},{"start":9988.64,"end":9996.24,"text":"And so you'll have Ronnie, and Mopi, and Rickinson, and the rest go around and bitch and moat about those same things."},{"start":9996.26,"end":10005.53,"text":"And Martin, Martin will moat about the environment, the parks and all that."},{"start":10006.29,"end":10009.69,"text":"People were taking in on the environment issue, they really do, because of its very high invisible"},{"start":10010.32,"end":10017.71,"text":"support by the fanatics and the people just got the impression that it's an old man country, you know what I mean?"},{"start":10017.77,"end":10023.3,"text":"And I think we've been taking another 10 weeks of it."},{"start":10023.36,"end":10026.86,"text":"They're rushing around, you know, they better bring us in."},{"start":10026.88,"end":10028.42,"text":"That's fine, we'll do it."},{"start":10028.44,"end":10036.47,"text":"What I'm getting at is that for us to do that, I just don't think that it's worth a hell of a lot of spending of money to put it that way."},{"start":10039.53,"end":10043.85,"text":"Do you need those since we don't spend any money on them?"},{"start":10043.91,"end":10048.36,"text":"No, I was referring, frankly, to the water bill when it comes up."},{"start":10048.38,"end":10048.54,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":10048.56,"end":10050.68,"text":"The water rights and things like that."},{"start":10051.38,"end":10054.12,"text":"Also, there's a tariff order on the floor."},{"start":10054.16,"end":10055.96,"text":"We're not going to put $150,000 on it."},{"start":10056,"end":10057.14,"text":"We're going to put $150,000 on it."},{"start":10057.22,"end":10058.94,"text":"We're going to work on August 1st."},{"start":10059.06,"end":10059.96,"text":"Now, that is just silly."},{"start":10059.98,"end":10064.56,"text":"It's going to be stopped if we have to kick Ronald's house out of the job."},{"start":10064.82,"end":10066.96,"text":"I mean, it's going to be stopped."},{"start":10072.7,"end":10075.12,"text":"They do want to tear down the structure."},{"start":10660.16,"end":10660.74,"text":"I'm just impressed about it."},{"start":10660.76,"end":10673.43,"text":"I told you last time, I'm not going to let him go right over and tell him to go right so that I can go at him at the right time."},{"start":10673.45,"end":10679.65,"text":"I don't think he knows it himself."},{"start":10679.67,"end":10679.85,"text":"Right?"},{"start":10680.39,"end":10682.17,"text":"Absolutely."},{"start":10682.47,"end":10685.17,"text":"Now, with regard to the, with regard to the"},{"start":10688.86,"end":10700.67,"text":"I don't think it's that necessary."},{"start":10701.25,"end":10709.07,"text":"I don't think it's as hard to understand."},{"start":10709.98,"end":10711.55,"text":"Well, plus the fact that people don't want to understand it."},{"start":10711.59,"end":10713.23,"text":"All they want to be told is, this is what we should do."},{"start":10713.25,"end":10713.91,"text":"That's right, that's right."},{"start":10713.95,"end":10732.44,"text":"And the spectacle of the President of the United States being, you know, to go to an inquisition on that content, how many traditions they would use it for that purpose, too."},{"start":10732.46,"end":10732.56,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":10732.78,"end":10734.94,"text":"And you're not in a position to..."},{"start":10737.23,"end":10738.81,"text":"hedge an answer or anything like that."},{"start":10738.89,"end":10743.51,"text":"Henry can do a lot of things, turn things around that you couldn't do."},{"start":10743.53,"end":10752.69,"text":"I would have to be very more private, candid about this and that and the other thing."},{"start":10752.92,"end":10756.18,"text":"Every statement would be... 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