{"conversationCode":"193-023","tapeNumber":193,"conversationNumber":23,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-193-023","startDateTime":"1972-06-08T19:31:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-06-08T20:25:00.000Z","startDate":"8-Jun-1972","startTime":"3:31 PM","endDate":"8-Jun-1972","endTime":"4:25 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On June 8, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:31 pm and 4:25 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 193-023 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 193-23\n\nDate: June 8, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 3:31 and 4:25 pm\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President met with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon.\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 1m 28s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nMrs. Nixon left at an unknown time before 4:25 pm.","filename":["193a.mp3","193b.mp3","193c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:53:17","tapeEnd":"04:05:22","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"193-022","nextCode":"193-024","tapeTranscriptFile":"193a.mp3,193b.mp3,193c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":14019.2,"end":14039.05,"text":"yeah i think i wondered if you could get a hold of uh henry definitely before 30 days have you taken gander at this thing with prices prepared it seems to me that the islands are the technical things i always like to go on but it seems to me that uh"},{"start":14045.51,"end":14056.03,"text":"far too euphoric, which of course I'll change if I want to make the effort."},{"start":14056.11,"end":14058.74,"text":"But I just want to get his feeling on it."},{"start":14058.86,"end":14065.68,"text":"Have him take a copy over to him and have him do a quick gander."},{"start":14066.96,"end":14067.44,"text":"What time is it now?"},{"start":14067.46,"end":14067.44,"text":"3.30?"},{"start":14067.48,"end":14067.56,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":14067.58,"end":14068.82,"text":"Okay, let's have him take a look."},{"start":14069.1,"end":14070.73,"text":"I'll call you back."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":14012.75,"end":14722,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"tape_time"},"transcriptConfidence":"low","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon consulted with First Lady Pat Nixon regarding his concerns over a document concerning price controls. He expressed dissatisfaction with the report's overly optimistic tone and decided to solicit a critique from National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger. The President instructed that a copy of the material be sent to Kissinger for a quick review to inform further revisions.","topics":["Economic policy","Price controls","Henry Kissinger","Executive decision-making","White House administration"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T09:56:30.476Z"},"topicSlugs":["economic-policy","price-controls","henry-kissinger","executive-decision-making","white-house-administration"],"audioDurationSec":725,"audioFiles":[{"file":"193a.mp3","bytes":117323893,"durationSec":7349.51,"bitrate":127708,"missing":false},{"file":"193b.mp3","bytes":117372021,"durationSec":7364.06,"bitrate":127507,"missing":false},{"file":"193c.mp3","bytes":62587408,"durationSec":3939.03,"bitrate":127112,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":true,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:33.574Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:01.829Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/193a.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/193b.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/193c.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/193-023","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/193/conversation-193-023","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}