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Conversation 193-027

TapeTape 193StartThursday, June 8, 1972 at 4:27 PMEndThursday, June 8, 1972 at 4:31 PMTape start time04:11:10Tape end time04:17:39ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Kissinger, Henry A.Recording deviceCamp David Hard Wire
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On June 8, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 4:27 pm to 4:31 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 193-027 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 193-27
Date: June 8, 1972
Time: 4:27-4:31 pm
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

The President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.

[See Conversation No. 133-20; one item has been withdrawn]
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Hello?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, yeah.
Should make.
Well, I sort of had that feeling.
I've been sitting here working on the damn thing, Bob, and it just isn't working.
I mean, yeah.
Chuck who?
I don't know.
Yeah, well, let's come on over and let's talk about it.
Thank you.
Well, you're a good father, huh?
Oh, I'm not a good father.
Sorry you have to do it, but you may find that...
The fact that you don't have the damn pressure on this trip won't be very hard, in a sense.
I think the combination of a long trip and terrible pressure is very hard.
I know, for example, when I finish a political campaign, even though it isn't the traveling, it's the fact that I'm under very, very heavy pressure.
And if you go on a vacation, take a long trip, you don't feel that bad.
Oh, of course you will.
You can handle this.
You don't have to prepare for it like the others, you know what I mean?
I mean, you know the Japanese situation at the back of your hand.
And you're not going to have those damned all-night sessions and all that sort of thing.
Yeah, well, sure, sure.
But what I meant is it's a kind of a thing where just the fact that you're going and being available and talking to them and holding their hands
is a good thing.
And it's going to be good to worry the Chinese and worry the Russians.
And that's good.
And reassure the Japanese a little.
Sure.
Yeah, I was so interested in that.
He really felt that the personal relationship had been established.
Oh, I
well that's important, that's important, and also it's important that he feels that he has the same relationship with you because that means you can take that next trip and it'll just be like, you know, we really gotta come down to him and every time, you know,
every time some torpedo boat moves into the Cienfuegos, I can't get into it.
And now we've got a relationship established where you can.
See what I mean?
I mean, you have before, but now he knows, and we need to do that, because normally you'd have your secretary of state for that sort of thing, but they know that that has no credibility.
Yeah.
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