{"conversationCode":"194-028","tapeNumber":194,"conversationNumber":28,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-194-028","startDateTime":"1972-06-25T21:15:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-06-25T22:10:00.000Z","startDate":"25-Jun-1972","startTime":"5:15 PM","endDate":"25-Jun-1972","endTime":"6:10 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On June 25, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 5:15 pm and 6:10 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 194-028 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 194-28\n\nDate: June 25, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 5:15 and 6:10 pm\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President met with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon.\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 05/20/2019.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[194-028-w001]\n[Duration: 5s]\n\n       Preparations for trip\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nMrs. Nixon left at an unknown time before 6:10 pm.","filename":["194-028.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:11:34","tapeEnd":"04:15:22","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"194-027","nextCode":"195-001","transcript":[{"start":0.2,"end":0.54,"text":"Already?"},{"start":0.56,"end":1.44,"text":"I think so."},{"start":1.58,"end":2.25,"text":"Everybody is."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and First Lady Pat Nixon met at Camp David to briefly discuss logistical arrangements and readiness for an upcoming trip. The exchange focused on confirming the departure timeline and ensuring that all necessary preparations were being addressed. The brief conversation served as a check-in on travel coordination rather than a substantive policy discussion.","topics":["Pat Nixon","Travel arrangements","Camp David","Presidential logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T09:59:30.804Z"},"topicSlugs":["pat-nixon","travel-arrangements","camp-david","presidential-logistics"],"audioDurationSec":18,"audioFiles":[{"file":"194-028.mp3","bytes":710322,"durationSec":17.63,"bitrate":322362,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:33.573Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:02.000Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/194-028.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/194-028","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/194/conversation-194-028","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}