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(President)","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"195-009","nextCode":"195-011","tapeTranscriptFile":"195a.mp3","transcript":[{"start":3165.64,"end":3168.04,"text":"I didn't know what the..."},{"start":3168.16,"end":3172.74,"text":"I suppose the networks both carried our... the more draftee thing that they..."},{"start":3173.9,"end":3176.98,"text":"Entirely different thing."},{"start":3177.16,"end":3179.05,"text":"I'm going to keep them there."},{"start":3186.79,"end":3192.79,"text":"Our little boys get so concerned when they raise the question about air and naval forces in Thailand."},{"start":3193.21,"end":3194.11,"text":"That's just bullshit."},{"start":3194.63,"end":3195.83,"text":"Don't worry about it."},{"start":3195.87,"end":3196.55,"text":"Nobody cares."},{"start":3197.34,"end":3198.76,"text":"All they care about is the ground boys."},{"start":3230.76,"end":3239.22,"text":"I just wanted to ask how many draftees are in the Air Force and the Naval Forces?"},{"start":3239.36,"end":3250.48,"text":"I'm going to be back in two or three minutes."},{"start":3255.88,"end":3262.04,"text":"I think I know the answer, but I think it might be a question somebody might ask."},{"start":3471.57,"end":3473.99,"text":"It's certainly unfortunate to have New Jersey get screwed up."},{"start":3474.01,"end":3479.5,"text":"I mean, of course, Republicans are, as a Republican attorney general in the state, a Republican U.S. attorney, they're a prostitute."},{"start":3480.22,"end":3482.86,"text":"But Jesus Christ, I don't know what the hell this is."},{"start":3483.16,"end":3488.88,"text":"As far as we're concerned, I don't know."},{"start":3488.9,"end":3489.36,"text":"It rubs off."},{"start":3491.41,"end":3492.91,"text":"It rubs off, but of course it's coming."},{"start":3492.93,"end":3494.87,"text":"I'm assuming this was four months before."},{"start":3495.11,"end":3499.15,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":3500.62,"end":3514.23,"text":"It's just got to be above it and say we're not allowing this antinuclear contribution to the party in turn."},{"start":3514.41,"end":3515.25,"text":"A small IDP."},{"start":3545.49,"end":3547.89,"text":"tonight to be very much above the battle line."},{"start":3547.93,"end":3558.21,"text":"I'm not going to, you know, of course I'm going to avoid all political questions, and I'm just not going to get dragged into any fight with the press about why I don't have those conferences."},{"start":3558.25,"end":3568.66,"text":"I'm just going to do a gentle list about, you know, if you're going to plan a line, what really counts, whether I do a good job, not as long as the press conferences I have, people can decide."},{"start":3568.7,"end":3570.82,"text":"Do you think that's the best way to go today?"},{"start":3574.49,"end":3580.03,"text":"We'll be pressed on things like LaBelle, you know, I've already answered, bombing, and so forth."},{"start":3580.05,"end":3584.77,"text":"That's a good answer."},{"start":3584.85,"end":3596.01,"text":"As long as this is one part of Vietnam gone, as long as they have our prisoners."},{"start":3596.03,"end":3597.25,"text":"I'm not worried about it."},{"start":3597.29,"end":3600.13,"text":"After all, this is two weeks."},{"start":3600.15,"end":3601.13,"text":"They have to come back tomorrow."},{"start":3772.14,"end":3783.22,"text":"I don't think they'll hold past Saturday."},{"start":3784.86,"end":3792.28,"text":"Now, I can't see those guys staying here until the following Friday, because that's what, if they don't get out of here Saturday, you know, they've got the Fourth of July weekend."},{"start":3793,"end":3793.86,"text":"They won't be in then."},{"start":3793.88,"end":3795.84,"text":"And they're willing."},{"start":3798.38,"end":3800.46,"text":"We can't blow it up indefinitely."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":3026,"end":3804,"startMethod":"llm-alignment","endMethod":"llm-alignment"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","originalFilename":["195a.mp3"],"spliceSource":{"spliceType":"bigtape","sourceFiles":["195a.mp3"],"cutStart":3024.5,"cutEnd":3805.5,"adjustedStart":3024.5,"adjustedEnd":3805.5,"boundaryMethod":"llm-alignment","confidence":"high","splicedAt":"2026-09-18T14:10:24.060Z"},"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Charles Colson discuss administration messaging regarding the Vietnam War, specifically minimizing public concern over naval and air forces in Thailand while focusing on the withdrawal of ground troops. 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