Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 195-014
Date: Thursday, June 29, 1972 at 1:33 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.
Recording device: Camp David Hard Wire
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/195-014

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[1:04:25] It's been marked up on us.
[1:04:28] I didn't know it well already.
[1:04:48] Hello, John.
[1:04:49] With regard to your suggestions with regard to people on the welfare rolls, it's come down in a way that is not too effective.
[1:04:58] It says the Ribicoff proposals would total 35 million people on the rolls, and the reform bill would total 97 million.
[1:05:06] My interest really isn't how many they would add.
[1:05:10] So is it basically, this is, that's the total, so you'd say they would, 23 million more
[1:05:15] And the other would be 75 million more.
[1:05:18] Either way, okay, I get the point.
[1:05:26] And that's the way it operates.
[1:05:28] So there, the line that Rivercroft would have been 80 million was too high.
[1:05:37] I don't think percentages mean a hell of a lot to people.
[1:05:40] I think they like to hear, just think of, they like to think of individuals, just think, 50 million people are going to be put in the welfare rolls.
[1:05:49] What a hell of a note, you know.
[1:05:51] Rather than the number of, that we will be increased by 33 and a third percent.
[1:05:56] See, that's the stuff Henry always puts in, but it doesn't mean much to people.
[1:06:04] You say it cripples the number of people in the welfare role and for 23 million in the NFL.
[1:06:11] I got it fine.
[1:06:13] I got it.
[1:06:17] I got it fine.
[1:06:23] The.
[1:06:23] Oh, nothing further on the Social Security thing.
[1:06:27] It's about where it was.
[1:06:32] The answer that Buchanan has prepared and reads and still says that I'm not going to approve a 20% rise because it would mean an increase in everybody's values and taxes.
[1:06:44] Do we want to come down that hard?
[1:06:48] Well, basically we shouldn't say that, should we?
[1:06:49] I don't want to.
[1:06:52] keep it open because i just might have to sign the damn thing i'll just say i will not approve any rise and it's not financed i should point out however that if it's too high it's going to wipe out the gains and the tax increases oh i see i'm sorry
[1:07:21] Okay.
[1:07:21] It's at the fucking upside, so, uh, uh, uh, uh.
[1:08:21] Oh, gun control.
[1:08:23] He says there's a clear discrepancy between what Treachery gave us on this and what Pearshot gave us.
[1:08:36] I don't know, because he's for it.
[1:08:38] He's not for it.
[1:08:39] They've got to be for gun control, John.
[1:08:41] I mean, I don't mean, I mean that you've got to have gun control.
[1:08:51] He began and said this is primarily a matter for state and local, not federal control.
[1:08:58] It never worked.
[1:08:58] The situation is different than I did.
[1:09:03] But don't you think we just ought to say that a bill which deals with the Saturday night specials is very important and so forth.
[1:09:08] It's a matter of, if they are locked, they're important.
[1:09:11] It's a matter of, I feel we ought to outlaw them.
[1:09:17] Don't you think so?
[1:09:21] Did the opinion apply to everything?
[1:09:51] I better have it checked.
[1:09:51] I mean, well, I'll have it checked here.
[1:09:53] You see, the problem is there that I am just curious as to what I'm going to do.
[1:09:59] I guess if the Supreme Court does it, we have to...
[1:10:02] There are four appointees to Senate, and if the Supreme Court does it, we have to accept it, but... What's your opinion?
[1:10:14] Don't you think you have to accept it?
[1:10:24] I think we should.
[1:10:26] Yeah.
[1:10:26] I don't think they're going to.
[1:10:30] I think August 7th, I'm going to comment on that if I have a chance to study the decision.
[1:10:37] Yeah.
[1:10:37] The House added $100 million to our $100 million supplemental.
[1:10:44] Yeah.
[1:10:44] Scott, the Senate was added $200 million.
[1:10:50] I'm not worried about that.
[1:10:52] If you would.
[1:11:05] Yeah.
[1:11:05] Well, would Broomfield handle Detroit?
[1:11:07] Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[1:11:15] I thought, I understand.
[1:11:17] Does Broomfield go further than 803?
[1:11:22] Well, it's already in there.
[1:11:24] We've already signed it then.
[1:11:26] Well, then what's this all about?
[1:11:32] And so he's withdrawn it.
[1:11:36] Oh, Christ.
[1:11:38] Oh, I just have to say that I think we need the moratorium to stick with that.
[1:11:41] Is that right?
[1:11:44] That's right.
[1:11:44] That's right.
[1:11:46] Fine.
[1:11:46] Fine.
[1:11:46] Fine.
[1:11:47] All right.
[1:11:47] You're having a good time out there, I hope.
[1:11:51] Yeah.
[1:11:52] Good.
[1:11:52] Great.
[1:11:53] Great.