{"conversationCode":"196-017","tapeNumber":196,"conversationNumber":17,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-196-017","startDateTime":"1972-07-23T16:29:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-07-23T17:35:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Jul-1972","startTime":"12:29 PM","endDate":"23-Jul-1972","endTime":"1:35 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On July 23, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 12:29 pm and 1:35 pm. 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Kissinger.\n\n     Instructions\n           -Copies\n\n     The President's conversation with Ronald W. Reagan\n          -Irish Airlines\n                 -US airlines\n                      -Modification of US position\n                           -Possible talk with Peter M. Flanigan\n                 -John M. (“Jack”) Lynch\n          -Reagan’s talk with Sir Alexander F. Douglas-Home\n          -The President’s forthcoming meeting with Home\n                 -US allies\n                      -Strengthened nuclear policy\n                           -British view\n                                  -France, West Germany\n                      -European Security Conference\n                           -British, French, Germans\n                                  -Soviets\n\n     Reagan's possible meeting with the President\n         -Republican National Convention\n               -Miami\n         -Haldeman\n\n     The President's meetings with Foreign Ministers\n          -Douglas-Home\n          -Andrei A. Gromyko\n          -Douglas-Home\n               -Breakfast on Sequoia\n                     -Arrangements\n\n               -Date\n                   -Haldeman\n          -Number","filename":["196-017.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"196-016","nextCode":"196-018","transcript":[{"start":11.24,"end":33.9,"text":"Mr."},{"start":33.92,"end":34.96,"text":"This memorandum has been what it's just given to Mr."},{"start":34.98,"end":36.18,"text":"I don't know how complex they're handling groups in the way."},{"start":36.2,"end":36.96,"text":"I don't know what I've just given him."},{"start":36.98,"end":38.74,"text":"He talked to Ronald Reagan, and he raised three points that we'd like to do a look into."},{"start":38.76,"end":40.69,"text":"One, the Irish Airlines found where it may even be a bit too rigid and too rough in order to get"},{"start":41.53,"end":63.38,"text":"Right."},{"start":63.4,"end":63.52,"text":"Right."},{"start":64.06,"end":82.24,"text":"He also mentioned that back when I was part of the field, I told him I was staying in the field."},{"start":82.26,"end":84.11,"text":"The field has two parts to these, but we're making that happen."},{"start":84.13,"end":86.35,"text":"One has the British, the Australian, the French, and the Germans, and it could be brought in, too."},{"start":86.55,"end":106.25,"text":"nuclear defense problems that they have up to this point."},{"start":106.27,"end":108.36,"text":"This is a very sensitive matter, as we know, but at least we should be prepared to discuss it with Bill."},{"start":108.38,"end":109.54,"text":"The other point is one that, uh, that, uh, before we go to"},{"start":109.97,"end":137.46,"text":"the European Security Conference, that we should get together on our side with the British, the French, and the Germans, and develop a line that is a standpoint that will be united and effective, having in mind the fact that the Soviets will be pushing their line very, very hard."},{"start":137.48,"end":137.92,"text":"Right, and I see that."},{"start":138.9,"end":163.94,"text":"If you pass through Washington with this way of a hand, this will, uh, probably on the weekend before, but on the call, so to be, at that time, this will open the door for other foreign ministers to see."},{"start":163.96,"end":165.04,"text":"Certainly, at least, at the very least, we should see."},{"start":165.06,"end":165.58,"text":"We'll make a new question."},{"start":166.38,"end":191.24,"text":"I want to keep the number of foreign visitors I see down to a bare minimum."},{"start":191.26,"end":192.66,"text":"You, my name, can be justified on the basis of my personal friendship."},{"start":192.68,"end":194.86,"text":"Seeing him, it occurred to me that I might do it for breakfast, or possibly for the two-hour trip on Sequoia."},{"start":194.88,"end":195.78,"text":"In any event, you were the call for the date."},{"start":196.32,"end":202.52,"text":"A limited number of voicemails."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon dictates a memorandum to H. R. Haldeman and Henry Kissinger regarding follow-up actions from his recent discussion with Ronald Reagan, including potential adjustments to U.S. policy on Irish Airlines. The President also outlines strategic objectives for upcoming meetings with foreign leaders, specifically emphasizing the need for a unified Western stance on nuclear defense and European security ahead of negotiations with the Soviet Union. To manage his schedule, Nixon directs staff to limit foreign minister meetings, suggesting that his engagement with Sir Alec Douglas-Home be handled via a casual breakfast or a private trip on the presidential yacht, Sequoia.","topics":["Foreign Policy","Nuclear Defense","European Security Conference","Ronald Reagan","Diplomatic Strategy","Schedule Management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:02:38.709Z"},"topicSlugs":["foreign-policy","nuclear-defense","european-security-conference","ronald-reagan","diplomatic-strategy","schedule-management"],"audioDurationSec":203,"audioFiles":[{"file":"196-017.mp3","bytes":4868805,"durationSec":202.81,"bitrate":192050,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:35.864Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:02.331Z","transcriptGapSeconds":107,"transcriptGapShare":0.53,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/196-017.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/196-017","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/196/conversation-196-017","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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