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Nixon phone call with Colson on Political strategy and Public opinion

Sunday, July 23, 1972 · 2:14 PM–2:35 PM ET · Camp David Hard Wire · 2 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.Conversation196-025 on Tape 196StartSunday, July 23, 1972 at 2:14 PMEndSunday, July 23, 1972 at 2:35 PMRecording deviceCamp David Hard WireSourceNixon Library record for 196-025 ↗

President Nixon and Charles Colson discuss political strategy and public perception regarding the administration's leadership and the rank-and-file electorate. The conversation centers on navigating political optics and managing potential public scrutiny of the administration's actions. The two agree to reconvene the following day to further refine their approach to these sensitive political matters.

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I'll be available tomorrow if you want to see me again.
Anytime.
I'll be there.
And I think he should probably stop and sort of wrap up things if anyone would like.
Of course, I guess he's just waiting for Wallace to let him go and watch the scene instead of him.
Next to him.
I think Chuck will.
They have to recognize him and tend to.
to ameliorate, to a certain extent, the detection.
You know, people say, well, isn't all that bad?
And you thought, you didn't realize.
You still don't think you're going to get away with that?
That's true of the leadership, I suppose, is what I'm actually thinking.
The rank and file type of people, well, we'll see.
We'll see.
Thanks for your time.
I've got a flash pole.
That's the last one.

On July 23, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 2:14 pm to 2:35 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 196-025 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 196-25

Date: July 23, 1972
Time: 2:14-2:35 pm
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

The President talked with Charles W. Colson.

[See Conversation No. 136-28; two items have been withdrawn]
  • 196-023 2:01 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 2:01 pm to 2:10 pm.
  • 136-026 2:10 PM · 8 min — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman talked on the telephone at Camp David at 2:10 pm.
  • 136-027 2:10 PM · 5 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 2:10 pm and 2:14 pm.
  • 196-024 2:10 PM · 5 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 2:10 pm and 2:14 pm.
  • 136-028 2:35 PM · 20 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone at Camp David at 2:35 pm.
  • 136-029 2:35 PM · 35 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 2:35 pm and 3:08 pm.
  • 136-030 2:35 PM · 11 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 2:35 pm and 3:08 pm.
  • 196-026 2:35 PM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 2:35 pm and 3:05 pm.

Conversation 196-025, July 23, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/196-025 (accessed October 12, 2026).