{"conversationCode":"196-025","tapeNumber":196,"conversationNumber":25,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-196-025","startDateTime":"1972-07-23T18:14:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-07-23T18:35:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Jul-1972","startTime":"2:14 PM","endDate":"23-Jul-1972","endTime":"2:35 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On July 23, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 2:14 pm to 2:35 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 196-025 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 196-25\n\nDate: July 23, 1972\nTime: 2:14-2:35 pm\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with Charles W. Colson.\n\n[See Conversation No. 136-28; two items have been withdrawn]","filename":["196-025.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"196-024","nextCode":"196-026","transcript":[{"start":12.01,"end":36.94,"text":"I'll be available tomorrow if you want to see me again."},{"start":36.96,"end":37.22,"text":"Anytime."},{"start":37.24,"end":38.08,"text":"I'll be there."},{"start":38.26,"end":41.14,"text":"And I think he should probably stop and sort of wrap up things if anyone would like."},{"start":41.8,"end":59.22,"text":"Of course, I guess he's just waiting for Wallace to let him go and watch the scene instead of him."},{"start":59.24,"end":59.48,"text":"Next to him."},{"start":59.5,"end":59.88,"text":"I think Chuck will."},{"start":59.9,"end":60.7,"text":"They have to recognize him and tend to."},{"start":61.46,"end":81.14,"text":"to ameliorate, to a certain extent, the detection."},{"start":81.17,"end":85.47,"text":"You know, people say, well, isn't all that bad?"},{"start":85.49,"end":86.21,"text":"And you thought, you didn't realize."},{"start":86.23,"end":87.37,"text":"You still don't think you're going to get away with that?"},{"start":87.39,"end":88.84,"text":"That's true of the leadership, I suppose, is what I'm actually thinking."},{"start":88.86,"end":89.86,"text":"The rank and file type of people, well, we'll see."},{"start":89.88,"end":90.08,"text":"We'll see."},{"start":90.1,"end":90.52,"text":"Thanks for your time."},{"start":94.75,"end":99.84,"text":"I've got a flash pole."},{"start":99.86,"end":100.51,"text":"That's the last one."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Charles Colson discuss political strategy and public perception regarding the administration's leadership and the rank-and-file electorate. The conversation centers on navigating political optics and managing potential public scrutiny of the administration's actions. The two agree to reconvene the following day to further refine their approach to these sensitive political matters.","topics":["Political strategy","Public opinion","White House administration","Electorate management","Political optics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:03:23.026Z"},"topicSlugs":["political-strategy","public-opinion","white-house-administration","electorate-management","political-optics"],"audioDurationSec":115,"audioFiles":[{"file":"196-025.mp3","bytes":2757902,"durationSec":114.84,"bitrate":192121,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:35.864Z","transcriptGapSeconds":62,"transcriptGapShare":0.54,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/196-025.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/196-025","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/196/conversation-196-025","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}