{"conversationCode":"197-005","tapeNumber":197,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-197-005","startDateTime":"1972-07-21T21:36:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-07-21T22:05:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Jul-1972","startTime":"5:36 PM","endDate":"21-Jul-1972","endTime":"6:05 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"[Unknown person(s)];","description":"On July 21, 1972, unknown person(s) met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 5:36 pm and 6:05 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 197-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 197-005\n\nDate: July 21, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 5:36 pm and 6:05 pm\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nUnknown men met.\n\n      Replacement of units\n\nUnknown men left at an unknown time before 6:05 pm.","filename":["197-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"197-004","nextCode":"197-006","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":12.56,"text":"I'll go down."},{"start":12.58,"end":13.48,"text":"This is the two units we're going to replace."},{"start":13.5,"end":13.76,"text":"I'll go down."},{"start":13.78,"end":14.61,"text":"Just that it won't do absolutely nothing."},{"start":14.63,"end":15.15,"text":"It always thinks that way."},{"start":15.17,"end":15.91,"text":"And everybody else is aware about it."},{"start":15.93,"end":16.57,"text":"The commander's boss, everybody."},{"start":16.59,"end":17.7,"text":"These two units, they're just completely deteriorating."},{"start":17.72,"end":18.14,"text":"You know what I mean?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Technical personnel met at the Aspen Lodge to assess the physical state of infrastructure and equipment at the Camp David facility. The participants discussed the complete deterioration of two specific units and agreed that they required immediate replacement. No high-level policy or political matters were addressed during this brief maintenance-focused exchange.","topics":["Camp David","Maintenance","Equipment replacement","Facilities management","Infrastructure"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:04:50.683Z"},"topicSlugs":["camp-david","maintenance","equipment-replacement","facilities-management","infrastructure"],"audioDurationSec":18,"audioFiles":[{"file":"197-005.mp3","bytes":729130,"durationSec":18.09,"bitrate":322428,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:35.863Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/197-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/197-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/197/conversation-197-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}