{"conversationCode":"199-004","tapeNumber":199,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-199-004","startDateTime":"1972-08-13T13:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-13T13:53:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Aug-1972","startTime":"9:45 AM","endDate":"13-Aug-1972","endTime":"9:53 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan); Eisenhower, Julie Nixon; Sanchez, Manolo;","description":"On August 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 9:45 am and 9:53 am. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 199-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 199-4\nDate: August 13, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 9:45 am and 9:53 am\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President met with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon, Julie Nixon Eisenhower and Manolo Sanchez.\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 4m 7s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nMrs. Nixon, Julie Nixon Eisenhower and Sanchez left at an unknown time before 9:53 am.","filename":["199-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)","Eisenhower, Julie Nixon","Sanchez, Manolo","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)","Eisenhower, Julie Nixon","Sanchez, Manolo"],"prevCode":"199-003","nextCode":"199-005","transcript":[{"start":12.97,"end":13.32,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon gathered with First Lady Pat Nixon, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, and valet Manolo Sanchez at the Aspen Lodge for a brief informal meeting. The discussion primarily consisted of personal family matters, as reflected by the fact that the majority of the recording was withdrawn from the public record due to its private nature. No official policy decisions or political actions were recorded during this session.","topics":["Camp David","Pat Nixon","Julie Nixon Eisenhower","Manolo Sanchez","Personal family matters"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:08:41.279Z"},"topicSlugs":["camp-david","pat-nixon","julie-nixon-eisenhower","manolo-sanchez","personal-family-matters"],"audioDurationSec":13,"audioFiles":[{"file":"199-004.mp3","bytes":319737,"durationSec":13.27,"bitrate":192806,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:35.863Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:02.838Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/199-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/199-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/199/conversation-199-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}