{"conversationCode":"199-012","tapeNumber":199,"conversationNumber":12,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-199-012","startDateTime":"1972-08-13T14:19:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-13T14:22:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Aug-1972","startTime":"10:19 AM","endDate":"13-Aug-1972","endTime":"10:22 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On August 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 10:19 am to 10:22 am. 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(President)","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"199-011","nextCode":"199-013","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":2.41,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":2.96,"end":3.12,"text":"Hi."},{"start":3.38,"end":4.42,"text":"Is Henry on his way?"},{"start":7.24,"end":8.46,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":8.48,"end":8.74,"text":"Fine."},{"start":8.76,"end":11.02,"text":"And then let's see what would his plans be."},{"start":11.04,"end":25.56,"text":"He'll be there tomorrow."},{"start":25.58,"end":27.3,"text":"Now he will go now to..."},{"start":27.77,"end":31.94,"text":"to Saigon and then to Tokyo."},{"start":31.96,"end":35.66,"text":"Yeah, that's right."},{"start":35.68,"end":44.67,"text":"That's good, you can go on a week and have a great little interest."},{"start":44.69,"end":47.1,"text":"Yeah, yeah, that's good."},{"start":47.12,"end":56.37,"text":"You know, I was certainly pleased, I've been pleased with the way Rogers and Laird have maintained a little, you know, they've been doing well since then."},{"start":56.39,"end":56.77,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":56.98,"end":63.92,"text":"Yeah, well, the whole point is that it's totally right."},{"start":63.94,"end":69.57,"text":"I thought that was a pretty, I mean, that Vance and Harriman saying, well, that's true."},{"start":69.63,"end":73.66,"text":"They didn't really back, they didn't back this guy on the key point."},{"start":73.68,"end":77.83,"text":"The key point was whether or not he had told us of anything at all, you know what I mean?"},{"start":77.85,"end":78.27,"text":"You know what I mean?"},{"start":78.89,"end":86.26,"text":"as they held everybody and swiveled around about whether this or that."},{"start":86.28,"end":93.47,"text":"But as an airman, I think it's just a very little part of the curriculum."},{"start":93.97,"end":95.03,"text":"Good, good."},{"start":95.47,"end":98.2,"text":"Good luck, come on."},{"start":98.4,"end":103.12,"text":"And it's good what he said."},{"start":105.59,"end":106.65,"text":"Yeah, good, good."},{"start":107.76,"end":110.81,"text":"And that's great."},{"start":110.83,"end":117.37,"text":"Well, anyway, I told you a little about it."},{"start":119.64,"end":119.74,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":119.76,"end":119.94,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":119.96,"end":120.06,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":120.08,"end":120.18,"text":"Okay."},{"start":120.22,"end":123.02,"text":"Well, we'll just stay on in here."},{"start":123.16,"end":130.39,"text":"You've got the PR panel."},{"start":130.41,"end":133.71,"text":"We should be, I think we should be mum about everything this week."},{"start":133.91,"end":136.24,"text":"Not say a week, because they're having a platform."},{"start":136.26,"end":137.6,"text":"The rest of the year, they're nothing."},{"start":138.05,"end":142.88,"text":"all week, particularly when we build up the expectations."},{"start":144.15,"end":145.31,"text":"But that is going to happen."},{"start":145.33,"end":149.6,"text":"We just want to come back."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Alexander Haig coordinate the logistics for Henry Kissinger’s upcoming diplomatic travel to Saigon and Tokyo. The discussion touches upon recent political critiques from Cyrus Vance and Averell Harriman regarding administration policy. Nixon emphasizes the need for strategic silence during the upcoming week to manage public expectations and avoid distracting from the party platform.","topics":["Henry Kissinger","Diplomatic strategy","Public relations","Vietnam War","Political strategy","Alexander Haig"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:09:24.320Z"},"topicSlugs":["henry-kissinger","diplomatic-strategy","public-relations","vietnam-war","political-strategy","alexander-haig"],"audioDurationSec":154,"audioFiles":[{"file":"199-012.mp3","bytes":3686399,"durationSec":153.53,"bitrate":192083,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:35.863Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/199-012.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/199-012","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/199/conversation-199-012","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}