{"conversationCode":"201-004","tapeNumber":201,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-201-004","startDateTime":"1972-08-11T23:33:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-11T23:42:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Aug-1972","startTime":"7:33 PM","endDate":"11-Aug-1972","endTime":"7:42 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On August 11, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 7:33 pm to 7:42 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 201-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 201-4\n\nDate: August 11, 1972\nTime: 7:33 pm - 7:42 pm\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.\n\n[See Conversation No. 137-5; two items have been withdrawn]","filename":["201-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"201-003","nextCode":"201-005","transcript":[{"start":0.64,"end":5.38,"text":"So, you were dinner, huh?"},{"start":5.4,"end":7.7,"text":"Oh, really?"},{"start":7.72,"end":8.09,"text":"A little late."},{"start":9.43,"end":10.37,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":10.39,"end":10.51,"text":"Right."},{"start":10.53,"end":17.19,"text":"Uh, did you have anything, uh, I, I understand Roger's got a very good play."},{"start":17.21,"end":18.33,"text":"He has everything, huh?"},{"start":18.35,"end":27.22,"text":"Except the, uh, the FBI thing, which of course, uh, he cannot let McGregor do it."},{"start":27.24,"end":27.68,"text":"That's if he wants to."},{"start":27.7,"end":28.28,"text":"Sorry."},{"start":30.74,"end":39.94,"text":"Far the best, but you know, if he wants."},{"start":42.04,"end":50.43,"text":"He is the one that ought to hit it."},{"start":50.45,"end":50.51,"text":"Oh."},{"start":50.53,"end":51.83,"text":"They've got to hit it over and over again before they can hit it."},{"start":51.85,"end":57.94,"text":"That's good, but the Rodgers thing, it was good that it got such a good play."},{"start":57.96,"end":58.34,"text":"Cutting the pieces."},{"start":58.36,"end":58.48,"text":"Right."},{"start":58.5,"end":58.62,"text":"Right."},{"start":58.64,"end":58.76,"text":"Right."},{"start":61.84,"end":87.04,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":87.06,"end":87.34,"text":"All right."},{"start":87.36,"end":87.56,"text":"All right."},{"start":87.58,"end":87.68,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":87.7,"end":87.8,"text":"Yeah."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H.R. Haldeman discuss the media reception of recent political messaging and the strategic necessity of repetitive public attacks regarding the FBI investigation. They specifically evaluate the political optics of Roger [likely William P. Rogers] and the potential involvement of Clark MacGregor in managing these narratives. The conversation emphasizes the importance of controlling the public discourse by consistently reinforcing key talking points to ensure they gain sufficient traction.","topics":["media strategy","FBI investigation","public relations","political campaigning","White House messaging"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:12:16.586Z"},"topicSlugs":["media-strategy","fbi-investigation","public-relations","political-campaigning","white-house-messaging"],"audioDurationSec":105,"audioFiles":[{"file":"201-004.mp3","bytes":2530950,"durationSec":105.39,"bitrate":192126,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:35.864Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/201-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/201-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/201/conversation-201-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}