{"conversationCode":"201-013","tapeNumber":201,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-201-013","startDateTime":"1972-08-12T14:35:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-12T15:11:00.000Z","startDate":"12-Aug-1972","startTime":"10:35 AM","endDate":"12-Aug-1972","endTime":"11:11 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On August 12, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 10:35 am to 11:11 am. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 201-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 201-13\n\nDate: August 12, 1972\nTime: 10:35 am - 11:11 am\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with Charles W. Colson.\n\n[See Conversation No. 137-8; three items have been withdrawn]","filename":["201-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"201-012","nextCode":"201-014","transcript":[{"start":0.54,"end":0.9,"text":"off."},{"start":3.54,"end":23.72,"text":"Well, how are things going today?"},{"start":23.76,"end":24.02,"text":"Good."},{"start":24.05,"end":24.62,"text":"Your tag is credibility."},{"start":24.64,"end":27.29,"text":"Now, of course, we fill them up some this way."},{"start":29.23,"end":30.39,"text":"It gets in as a fact that you've got to respond"},{"start":30.69,"end":32.42,"text":"He responded yet."},{"start":39.41,"end":45.74,"text":"You can check the bios, I think."},{"start":45.76,"end":46.28,"text":"I told him to check it."},{"start":46.3,"end":47.3,"text":"There's the godsend."},{"start":60.75,"end":82.2,"text":"And Ben Williams is thinking to listen to himself."},{"start":82.22,"end":82.64,"text":"But that's all right."},{"start":82.66,"end":82.9,"text":"Right ahead."},{"start":82.92,"end":84.34,"text":"He ought to particularly get a defense expenditure in order to recover."},{"start":84.36,"end":84.54,"text":"No draft."},{"start":85.79,"end":100.06,"text":"We've got so many men out of the armed services."},{"start":100.08,"end":100.76,"text":"We've got five men out of Vietnam."},{"start":100.78,"end":101.72,"text":"We're not drafting any, no draftees in Vietnam."},{"start":101.74,"end":102.65,"text":"And the number of draftees around is so many."},{"start":102.67,"end":103.21,"text":"And it is going to be zero."},{"start":103.23,"end":104.01,"text":"And that's a tremendous accomplishment."},{"start":104.03,"end":104.49,"text":"We've got the campaign."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Charles Colson discuss campaign messaging strategy, specifically focusing on the administration’s credibility and the successful transition to an all-volunteer military. They emphasize leveraging the reduction of draftees and the withdrawal of troops from Vietnam as key accomplishments to highlight during the reelection campaign. Nixon underscores the importance of publicizing these defense-related achievements to bolster his political standing against opponents.","topics":["Campaign strategy","Vietnam War","Military draft","Administration credibility","Defense policy","1972 election"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:13:06.878Z"},"topicSlugs":["campaign-strategy","vietnam-war","military-draft","administration-credibility","defense-policy","1972-election"],"audioDurationSec":119,"audioFiles":[{"file":"201-013.mp3","bytes":2845674,"durationSec":118.51,"bitrate":192102,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:35.864Z","transcriptGapSeconds":42,"transcriptGapShare":0.35,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/201-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/201-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/201/conversation-201-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}