{"conversationCode":"205-005","tapeNumber":205,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-205-005","startDateTime":"1972-08-19T15:42:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-08-19T15:49:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Aug-1972","startTime":"11:42 AM","endDate":"19-Aug-1972","endTime":"11:49 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On August 19, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 11:42 am to 11:49 am. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 205-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 205-5\n\nDate: August 19, 1972\nTime: 11:42 am - 11:49 am\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon.\n\n[See Conversation No. 140-38; three items have been withdrawn]","filename":["205-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"205-004","nextCode":"205-006","transcript":[{"start":15.03,"end":18.5,"text":"We're going to... We'll arrange for that."},{"start":18.82,"end":19.78,"text":"I'm going to send it off."},{"start":20.08,"end":22.82,"text":"I'll just order the protection any time."},{"start":22.84,"end":26.15,"text":"And I'm going to, and while I'm there, I'm going to order protection."},{"start":26.17,"end":27.09,"text":"He'll order it for Wallace."},{"start":28.99,"end":42.73,"text":"Leave it now."},{"start":42.75,"end":42.85,"text":"Sure."},{"start":46.15,"end":47.75,"text":"I'll order."},{"start":47.77,"end":48.28,"text":"Don't worry, I can order."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and First Lady Pat Nixon discussed the logistical arrangements for providing security protection for George Wallace. The President explicitly confirmed his authority and intent to order the deployment of protection for the former governor. The brief exchange focused on finalizing the decision to initiate these security measures without further delay.","topics":["George Wallace","Secret Service","Presidential Authority","Security Protection","1972 Election"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:20:20.018Z"},"topicSlugs":["george-wallace","secret-service","presidential-authority","security-protection","1972-election"],"audioDurationSec":64,"audioFiles":[{"file":"205-005.mp3","bytes":1540387,"durationSec":64.11,"bitrate":192227,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:35.864Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/205-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/205-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/205/conversation-205-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}