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What do you think McCarthy would do?

Sure, sure.

Certainly showed their own problems, doesn't it, Henry?

I don't know either.

is that they're living in a dream world.

Oh, he could say his judgment of McDuckers.

Second, his judgment as to how the election's going to come out.

Third, and he could say that you better watch out what's going to happen afterwards.

He could say that.

Third, why don't you make peace because it'll be generous now and it won't be generous

he approached you in the first instance anyway.

Right.

That's good.

Well, that's great.

Well, I wish you were taking another day off.

You're going to see the rain today, huh?

Yeah.

But it's right.

It's right now.

It isn't just the thing we want right now.

To make that deal, yeah.

Are you worried a bit?

Isn't it interesting that Goodwin was outraged by their attack on you too, huh?

I know.

Sure.

I understand.

I think, Henry, if others could start saying it, I think I've gone about as far as I can in my talk.

Because, you know, the thing is, I can't give them the opportunity.

I'm just finishing some of the final work on this draft now.

Not so long on the domestic side, basically, a little on the foreign side.

But I'm just trying to be sure to hone down anything that can be taken out of context and made to be a peer, to be, you know, a slam

the other hand, I'm leaving him everything that's really come.

It's going to be a very strong speech.

We've got, let me say one thing that I did do that I think you'd be interested in.

I agree with your analysis.

But where we say that as a result of when we can turn toward peace, it will allow us to release our great creative energies to all.

I don't know.

I know that.

You see, I listed that.

I listed that we can rebuild our cities.

We can do that.

I just took that out.

Now, but what I did do is what I think is a just,

just a little place in America will mean that we can undertake initiatives at home that will be just as exciting as the great initiatives we've undertaken abroad.

Just put it that way.

You see, and then not say we can launch a war against the forces of poverty.

We can rebuild our great cities.

We can move toward our promising initiatives to restore our natural environment.

We can have welfare for our, you know, that's just, that's the kind of stuff that the voice

I've got to relate peace to our

I know Bill didn't intend to say that.

Yeah.

McCartney probably let him into it, though, Henry.

Yeah.

Anyway, we've now knocked it down.

He was expressing a hope, and that's that.

But I think Bill will be very good on that from now on.

But we all sat around and acted.

And the...

One thing that I was going to tell you is this.

It seems to me that we have a very, very interesting point here.

You know, the bombing halt thing.

I think these people are, and I may be so doctrinaire, and, you know, thinking history repeated itself, that they missed the point that there is no possibility of our getting a bombing halt now because they don't have anything to give.

something to give.

Now let me say, if they were to say in return for a bombing halt or say or do something, that would be something else again.

But you recall, Henry, they want the bombing halt to be made.

That's again a misjudgment that the left made about why the bombing halt helped Humphrey and or Johnson.

And the left said it helped them because people said, thank God we're not bombing.

That wasn't true at all.

The American people were for bombing.

I know, I speak in office time.

The reason it helped Johnson was that the bombing halt was

And you remember what saved us only by

It is so illusory.

There isn't going to be any bombing home under any circumstances of anything before the election.

We're going to bomb more, believe me.

That's my view, too.

You can't come to that when he doesn't look to kill us.

On the other hand, if it's not

They're surrounded, don't they?

Even in that damn Citadel, they still have it, don't they?

Anyway, that's good, and I think your idea is excellent, and I wish you well.

I'll see you tomorrow at a good time.