{"conversationCode":"209-004","tapeNumber":209,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-209-004","startDateTime":"1972-09-10T15:44:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-10T16:14:00.000Z","startDate":"10-Sep-1972","startTime":"11:44 AM","endDate":"10-Sep-1972","endTime":"12:14 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On September 10, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 11:44 am to 12:14 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 209-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 209-4\n\nDate: September 10, 1972\nTime: 11:44 am - 12:14 pm\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with Charles W. Colson.\n\n[See Conversation no. 141-2; two items have been withdrawn from this conversation]","filename":["209-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"209-003","nextCode":"209-005","transcript":[{"start":0.82,"end":5.53,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":19.22,"end":26.69,"text":"Zeta Harris never killed him for us."},{"start":26.71,"end":27.23,"text":"He won't kill it for them."},{"start":27.25,"end":28.61,"text":"What do you see in other times that have never come into the league?"},{"start":28.63,"end":29.03,"text":"What is there to do?"},{"start":29.05,"end":29.31,"text":"Well, Carson,"},{"start":30.12,"end":50.66,"text":"Three thousand one."},{"start":60.04,"end":85.7,"text":"Incidentally, one thing I noticed here is the calls to get some remarks."},{"start":85.72,"end":86.78,"text":"I'm just not sure that that's something I want to do."},{"start":86.8,"end":87.62,"text":"I mean, we can really get it turned down."},{"start":87.64,"end":88.88,"text":"I just don't know whether it's worth inviting the White House."},{"start":88.9,"end":89.3,"text":"Oh, hell yeah."},{"start":89.32,"end":89.84,"text":"But if I call it, and then"},{"start":100.57,"end":117.79,"text":"Well,"},{"start":139.91,"end":157.82,"text":"Well, we know he wasn't."},{"start":157.84,"end":158.7,"text":"Well, we've got a bunch of others, I guess."},{"start":158.72,"end":159.38,"text":"But anyway, I'll see you tonight."},{"start":185.34,"end":188.08,"text":"Right?"},{"start":188.22,"end":188.51,"text":"Not yet."},{"start":188.53,"end":188.63,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Charles Colson met at Camp David to discuss potential public remarks and White House outreach strategies. The conversation focused on evaluating the political risks of specific public statements and managing external invitations. They concluded by coordinating logistics for a future meeting and reviewing ongoing administrative tasks.","topics":["White House communications","Public relations strategy","Political maneuvering","Administration logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:25:54.876Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house-communications","public-relations-strategy","political-maneuvering","administration-logistics"],"audioDurationSec":194,"audioFiles":[{"file":"209-004.mp3","bytes":4667558,"durationSec":194.41,"bitrate":192067,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:35.864Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:04.454Z","transcriptGapSeconds":81,"transcriptGapShare":0.42,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/209-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/209-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/209/conversation-209-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}