{"conversationCode":"212-005","tapeNumber":212,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-212-005","startDateTime":"1972-09-20T00:10:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-20T23:10:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Sep-1972","startTime":"8:10 PM","endDate":"20-Sep-1972","endTime":"7:10 PM","dateCertainty":"estimated","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Hirsch, William; Camp David Operator;","description":"William Hirsch and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David on an unknown date, sometime between 8:10 pm on September 19, 1972 and 7:10 pm on September 20, 1972. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 212-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 212-5\n\nDate: Unknown between September 19 and 20, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 8:10 pm, September 19 and 7:10 pm, September 20, 1972\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nWilliam Hirsch talked with the Camp David operator.\n\n            Mrs. John S.D. Eisenhower","filename":["212-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Hirsch, William","Camp David Operator"],"prevCode":"212-004","nextCode":"212-006","transcript":[{"start":0.57,"end":2.03,"text":"It's her, ma'am."},{"start":2.05,"end":3.54,"text":"Mrs. John Eisenhower is calling."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"William Hirsch coordinated with the Camp David operator to facilitate a telephone connection for Mrs. John S.D. Eisenhower. The brief interaction served as a logistical bridge to ensure the successful placement of her call. No further substantive policy or administrative matters were addressed during this exchange.","topics":["Camp David","Communications","Logistics","Mrs. John S.D. Eisenhower"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:29:57.464Z"},"topicSlugs":["camp-david","communications","logistics","mrs-john-s-d-eisenhower"],"audioDurationSec":9,"audioFiles":[{"file":"212-005.mp3","bytes":209396,"durationSec":8.67,"bitrate":193288,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:35.865Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/212-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/212-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/212/conversation-212-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}