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Said she didn't eat a damn thing last night."},{"start":29,"end":32,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"I know. She's She's going to have a big lunch."},{"start":32,"end":34,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"She ate something now, good deal."},{"start":34,"end":40,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Well, Daddy, you know, I was thinking if you still want to see War and Peace, we could eat real early and see it or something like that."},{"start":41,"end":43,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Eat at 5:30 or something."},{"start":43,"end":45,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"I think Mommy wants to see it, though."},{"start":45,"end":48,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"I think she might want to see War and Peace."},{"start":48,"end":52,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"If she does, [laughter] would you like to see War and Peace, Mom? The one with Audrey Hepburn."},{"start":52,"end":54,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"I like Hepburn, but I loved that movie last night."},{"start":54,"end":58,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Oh, I'm so glad you like it. You know, Mom and me said she loved the movie last night."},{"start":55,"end":57,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":58,"end":62,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Well, the thing about War and Peace, the only difficulty is that [crosstalk] it's too long."},{"start":60,"end":62,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"[crosstalk] It's too long."},{"start":62,"end":67,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Well, I have a very, I've got three or four speeches to do. I think maybe I'd like together to see the Churchill documentary tonight. How about that?"},{"start":67,"end":71,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"That's an awfully great movie."},{"start":70,"end":72,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Let's see that."},{"start":72,"end":73,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Good music."}],"transcriptCreatedAt":"2026-10-28T13:33:03.721Z","transcriptModel":"google/gemini-3.8-flash","transcriptSource":"audio-llm","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/213-018-nara.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/213-018","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/213/conversation-213-018","catalogUrl":"https://catalog.archives.gov/id/651228258","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}