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Daddy?"},{"start":35,"end":46,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Daddy, it was so nice to show them, it's up to three degrees since they called in [unintelligible]. 87."},{"start":59,"end":74,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"You know, I was going to tell you that since you're going out on this trip, we were talking about a couple of things, you know, about things to mention. Why don't you run over with me, sometime today, all of the cities you're going to be in, and then I'll try to think of little things that come to my memory."},{"start":74,"end":76,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Yeah. I'd love to."},{"start":76,"end":82,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"that'll give you things that you can mention in your little talks, you know, personal relationships might be made."},{"start":82,"end":87,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"I'd really love to do that. Like, I'll be in Las Vegas, for example, if you can think of anything around--"},{"start":87,"end":94,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Yeah, well, you don't have to stay quite out there. But, you uh,"},{"start":94,"end":95,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Las Vegas."},{"start":95,"end":102,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"uh, you can mention Judge Roger Foley."},{"start":102,"end":104,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Yeah, Phoenix."},{"start":104,"end":111,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Phoenix is easy. Good."},{"start":122,"end":130,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"That's really helpful. Could we could do that maybe down by the pool or something?"},{"start":130,"end":132,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Anytime, honey."},{"start":132,"end":136,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Why don't I turn on the light for you? Oh, this one."},{"start":136,"end":140,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Fine. That's a good child."},{"start":140,"end":142,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"May it help."},{"start":142,"end":145,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Or do you not like it too bright?"},{"start":145,"end":148,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Too bright?"},{"start":148,"end":149,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Hey?"},{"start":149,"end":151,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Is it too bright? Three speed."},{"start":151,"end":153,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"All right."}],"transcriptCreatedAt":"2026-10-28T13:30:28.791Z","transcriptModel":"google/gemini-3.8-flash","transcriptSource":"audio-llm","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/213-021-nara.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/213-021","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/213/conversation-213-021","catalogUrl":"https://catalog.archives.gov/id/651228264","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}