{"conversationCode":"213-035","tapeNumber":213,"conversationNumber":35,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-213-035","startDateTime":"1972-09-24T21:00:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-09-25T01:12:00.000Z","startDate":"24-Sep-1972","startTime":"5:00 PM","endDate":"24-Sep-1972","endTime":"9:12 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan); Eisenhower, Julie Nixon;","description":"On September 24, 1972, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon and Julie Nixon Eisenhower met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 5:00 pm and 9:12 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 213-035 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 213-35\n\n                                       (rev. Oct-06)\n\nDate: September 24, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 5:00 pm and 9:12 pm\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon met with Julie Nixon Eisenhower.\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal returnable]\n[Duration: 4s        ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nJulie Nixon Eisenhower left at an unknown time before 9:12 pm.","filename":["213-035.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)","Eisenhower, Julie Nixon"],"prevCode":"213-034","nextCode":"214-001","transcript":[{"start":9.52,"end":9.72,"text":"Thanks for watching!"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Pat Nixon and Julie Nixon Eisenhower met at the Aspen Lodge in Camp David for an informal family visit. The recording primarily consists of personal conversation between the First Lady and her daughter, with no substantive policy or political matters discussed. The exchange concluded shortly before the recording system was deactivated.","topics":["Pat Nixon","Julie Nixon Eisenhower","Camp David","Family life","Personal interaction"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:33:33.018Z"},"topicSlugs":["pat-nixon","julie-nixon-eisenhower","camp-david","family-life","personal-interaction"],"audioDurationSec":12,"audioFiles":[{"file":"213-035.mp3","bytes":278359,"durationSec":11.53,"bitrate":193081,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.204Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/213-035.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/213-035","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/213/conversation-213-035","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}