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Yeah."},{"start":4,"end":5,"speaker":"Colson","text":"Bob--"},{"start":5,"end":12,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Sure. Sure. Yeah, that's right. Yeah."},{"start":12,"end":15,"speaker":"Colson","text":"All right, fine."},{"start":15,"end":33,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"You must must remember that. Remember to keep running that thing. Skip a week and then run it again. Or maybe not skip a week."},{"start":33,"end":47,"speaker":"Colson","text":"[unintelligible] certainly [unintelligible] The mean, let's remember, never have them on a Republican, actually the AF of L-CIO [unintelligible] never be. Hubert Humphrey's next would be much better after this."},{"start":47,"end":52,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"How about that? That that's a good billboard."},{"start":52,"end":64,"speaker":"Colson","text":"I passed this on to Holden, and uh and uh because uh of course, you keep it on the air."},{"start":64,"end":72,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"You don't want to run an ad till you get tired of it, but I think you could run it this week, and skip, then run it again next week, you know."},{"start":72,"end":92,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Yeah. Well, but uh but if you run it up in a heavier area, I, I, for example, would like to see it run much more heavily in California. I think it really ought to saturate it out there. You might mention that to Bob, because that's that's a critical state and uh that area is where this thing means a lot."},{"start":92,"end":96,"speaker":"Colson","text":"All our people are party activists."},{"start":96,"end":98,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Funny, fine."},{"start":98,"end":118,"speaker":"Nixon","text":"Good, good. And also, it's very important what we said about those ads, and I think if you can catch Bob, I think we ought to perhaps uh buy more in California. Give that, give that a hell of a saturation on that dance ad even next week. See if we can't push that in there."},{"start":118,"end":126,"speaker":"Colson","text":"I think his party's still at rest. Wait. Right, right, right."}],"transcriptCreatedAt":"2026-10-28T13:31:11.745Z","transcriptModel":"google/gemini-3.8-flash","transcriptSource":"audio-llm","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/214-005-nara.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/214-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/214/conversation-214-005","catalogUrl":"https://catalog.archives.gov/id/651228588","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}