{"conversationCode":"214-012","tapeNumber":214,"conversationNumber":12,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-214-012","startDateTime":"1972-10-01T13:05:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-02T20:06:00.000Z","startDate":"1-Oct-1972","startTime":"9:05 AM","endDate":"2-Oct-1972","endTime":"4:06 PM","dateCertainty":"estimated","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Eisenhower, Julie Nixon; Rebozo, Charles G. (\"Bebe\");","description":"Julie Nixon Eisenhower and Charles G. (\"Bebe\") Rebozo met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David on an unknown date, sometime between 9:05 am on October 1, 1972 and 4:06 pm on October 2, 1972. 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Hi, Bebe. Where are you now?"},{"start":4,"end":8,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Oh, is this a bad time to call?"},{"start":9,"end":13,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Good. Yeah."},{"start":274,"end":276,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"That's right."},{"start":284,"end":294,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Well, they're the ones who are making the decisions on the appearances, and maybe they think we're going to carry South Florida, and that we need to spend time in other areas. What's your feeling?"},{"start":296,"end":299,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"See, I think that's their concern."},{"start":303,"end":305,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Yeah."},{"start":309,"end":312,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Huh? What did you say?"},{"start":313,"end":317,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Oh, I don't know, Bebe. I'm afraid people are going to sit home."},{"start":321,"end":325,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Yeah. I am, too."},{"start":326,"end":328,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"Isn't it awful, Bebe?"},{"start":329,"end":333,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"It is. Just unbelievable."},{"start":338,"end":343,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"And yet, I see your feeling, if you think that that's the right Yeah."},{"start":345,"end":362,"speaker":"Eisenhower","text":"That's all right, but, but, I guess they just think that they just want to go to kind of hanging in the balance-type places. They want I think what they're doing is kind of leaving it open so that at the last minute we can go in where they think we need a push, so, I don't know."}],"transcriptCreatedAt":"2026-10-28T13:27:06.911Z","transcriptModel":"google/gemini-3.8-flash","transcriptSource":"audio-llm","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/214-012-nara.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/214-012","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/214/conversation-214-012","catalogUrl":"https://catalog.archives.gov/id/651228602","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}