{"conversationCode":"214-023","tapeNumber":214,"conversationNumber":23,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-214-023","startDateTime":"1972-10-02T20:06:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-03T00:30:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Oct-1972","startTime":"4:06 PM","endDate":"2-Oct-1972","endTime":"8:30 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Kissinger, Henry A.; Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On October 2, 1972, Henry A. Kissinger and Stephen B. Bull met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 4:06 pm and 8:30 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 214-023 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 214-23\n\nDate: October 2, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 4:06 pm and 8:30 pm\n\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nHenry A. Kissinger met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n             Call from Adm. Elmo R. Zumwalt, Jr.\n                  -The President\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 8:30 pm.","filename":["214-023.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Kissinger, Henry A.","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"214-022","nextCode":"214-024","transcript":[{"start":0.79,"end":5.13,"text":"I'll tell the president that you just have to take the call."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Henry A. Kissinger coordinates with Stephen B. Bull to ensure the President receives a critical incoming telephone call from Admiral Elmo R. Zumwalt, Jr. The discussion centers on the necessity of the President taking the communication personally. The primary action item involves Bull facilitating the connection between the President and the Admiral.","topics":["Elmo R. Zumwalt Jr.","Presidential communications","Military leadership","White House operations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:35:37.790Z"},"topicSlugs":["elmo-r-zumwalt-jr","presidential-communications","military-leadership","white-house-operations"],"audioDurationSec":8,"audioFiles":[{"file":"214-023.mp3","bytes":191842,"durationSec":7.93,"bitrate":193454,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:35.865Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:05.308Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/214-023.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/214-023","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/214/conversation-214-023","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}