{"conversationCode":"214-036","tapeNumber":214,"conversationNumber":36,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-214-036","startDateTime":"1972-10-03T00:51:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-03T00:52:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Oct-1972","startTime":"8:51 PM","endDate":"2-Oct-1972","endTime":"8:52 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On October 2, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 8:51 pm to 8:52 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 214-036 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 214-36\n\nDate: October 2, 1972\nTime: 8:51 pm - 8:52 pm\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.\n\n[See Conversation No. 145-23]","filename":["214-036.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"214-035","nextCode":"214-037","transcript":[{"start":1.36,"end":24.53,"text":"One thing I find I did not think, are you there?"},{"start":24.55,"end":24.65,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":24.67,"end":26.55,"text":"I wanted you to be sure to get across the point that I had failed to point out that, uh... Me?"},{"start":26.57,"end":26.63,"text":"Me?"},{"start":26.65,"end":26.75,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":26.77,"end":29.27,"text":"And now, and frankly, uh, that, uh, we have no election problems or anything else, that, uh, they've just got to assume that."},{"start":29.29,"end":31.15,"text":"They've just got to, that, that we don't want that the president's mind played on all of him."},{"start":31.17,"end":31.35,"text":"He won't."},{"start":31.81,"end":47.49,"text":"but you must never underestimate what he's going to do."},{"start":47.51,"end":49.37,"text":"You could say that, I think you see the idea that we talk softly, but don't underestimate it."},{"start":49.39,"end":50.05,"text":"I just think you should say that."},{"start":50.07,"end":50.88,"text":"You just didn't convey that to me, Todd."},{"start":50.9,"end":51,"text":"Okay."},{"start":51.02,"end":51.22,"text":"Okay, bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon instructed Henry Kissinger to convey a firm message to an unnamed interlocutor regarding the administration's political stability and resolve. Nixon emphasized that despite a measured, diplomatic tone, the other party must not underestimate his willingness to take decisive action. The conversation served to ensure that Kissinger explicitly articulated this posture of strength to prevent the President's intentions from being misread during ongoing negotiations.","topics":["Foreign Policy","Negotiation Strategy","Political Stability","Presidential Resolve","Diplomacy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:36:49.734Z"},"topicSlugs":["foreign-policy","negotiation-strategy","political-stability","presidential-resolve","diplomacy"],"audioDurationSec":54,"audioFiles":[{"file":"214-036.mp3","bytes":1297135,"durationSec":53.97,"bitrate":192263,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.204Z","transcriptGapSeconds":39,"transcriptGapShare":0.72,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/214-036.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/214-036","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/214/conversation-214-036","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}