Conversation 214-027

TapeTape 214StartMonday, October 2, 1972 at 5:03 PMEndMonday, October 2, 1972 at 8:30 PMParticipantsKissinger, Henry A.; Zumwalt, Adm. Elmo R., Jr.Recording deviceCamp David Hard Wire

AI Summary

Henry Kissinger and Admiral Elmo Zumwalt discuss a workaround to address concerns regarding the operation of naval jets while providing a face-saving diplomatic solution. They explore designating the Navy as an executive agent for a separate organization to manage these aircraft. Ultimately, they weigh the feasibility of this arrangement against the possibility of abandoning the proposal entirely due to its administrative complexity.

Naval aviationMilitary administrationExecutive agencyDiplomatic strategyOrganizational structure

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NARA Description

On October 2, 1972, Henry A. Kissinger and Adm. Elmo R. Zumwalt, Jr. met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 5:03 pm and 8:30 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 214-027 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 214-27

Date: October 2, 1972
Time: Unknown between 5:03 pm and 8:30 pm
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

Henry A. Kissinger talked with Adm. Elmo R. Zumwalt, Jr.

[See Conversation No. 145-17]

Transcript (AI-Generated)

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Hello?

Yeah, join.

They're saying they don't really care who runs them as long as we give them some face-saving device so that they can call them non-Navy jets.

Give them another organization and make the Navy the executive agent for it.

It's just too difficult to do if it isn't big enough for you.

We may just have to drop the whole idea.

I appreciate you looking into it.

I could hope to see you and things ease up a bit in my frantic traveling.

Good, thank you.

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