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So, Chuck, I was wondering whether on our commercials and other programs that it is still possible for them to produce anything new or that we're just frozen with what they produced three or four months ago.

What I am concerned about is this, that on the commercials, the ads, the only thing we have is the defense ad, which is good, the hard hat ad, which is good, and the Christmas

On the other hand, to my amazement, I found that there is no ad which is on Amnesty.

I mean, it's mentioned in the one I know.

But I mean, and there's no ad on Vietnam about turning the government over.

Now, part of that is because of the, I know, the bad of the teetered outfit, but none of that is not a good issue.

But my point is that next week, with the opposition coming out with their program on Vietnam, you're really, rather than answering on it, you're really going to slap them hard on it.

that he's for a program to turn the South Vietnam over to the communists, in other words, figuring out what a jury he is, the toughest thing, and give that to the draft doctors and the surgery and so forth.

You get what I mean?

And I figure that unless we have something like that, we're very foolish not to be ready with it.

Because we'll be talking about taxes.

a hell of a lot of us on bombing and other things.

But I want you to, yes, as a matter of fact, just check in the morning with those people over there at the committees, you know, that we want to know what Vietnam ads do we have that we can run.

Of course, it's fine for Connolly to make a speech.

Laird, incidentally, should include it in his speech.

And Press Conference, a very strong defense of the effectiveness of the bombing.

Yes, that's right.

And he understands that, that it's been effective and it's right.

and so forth, you know, that it's for military targets on these resorts.

So, yeah.

Did you understand it?

Yeah.

All right.

Well, there's something.

That's right.

But let's get that out before the other part gets out.

We need to be effective so that the bombing has been effective, that my essential and effective, the bombing, in my end, has been essential and effective.

But what I'm getting at is, if we're ever coming out with a peace plan, I'm doubtful he's going to be involved.

I saw from the

vulnerability on him, there should be something that did on that one subject.

Now, Mitchell, when I raised it to him, because he was there when they met him, he said, well, that Peter's group and all felt that would lose his vote among the young.

And I said to Mitchell, I said, well, that may be, but I said, goddammit, it's a good national vote, and let the young vote, go to hell if that's the case.

You lose a Jewish young, that's about all.

We may get it for good reasons in any event, but my point is that on the amnesty thing, as you know, there's a lot of Jewish kids running off to Canada, and whatever, you know, slobbering over these poor, unfortunate people that made the wrong moral decision.

Now, bullshit, we're not going to allow that, but the point is, for us not to have two or three good Vietnam vets this week is a hell of a hole in our operation.

Alvaro, do you agree?

I don't know what we can do now.

Of course Connolly will hit it in her speech, and Laird will hit it, and Rogers will hit it the day before, but they're going to come out with their own Vietnam plan.

We need to, I think this is the time for us to have ads, five-minuters, to be just knocking their brains out.

I mean, attacking him on Vietnam.

I mean, that he's for a sell-out to the communists, that he's exploiting the POW thing.

We know now that's a good idea.

I get that, and the embassy goes free.

But also, turning it over to the communists is a very, very, very sensitive issue.

Oh.

They don't want to get it.

Basically, they feel that it loses us with the young.

We're going to lose some of them today.

Why?

Because of the moral thing.

God damn it's wrong.

And I've said over and over again, God damn it, they've got to follow my lead and quit farting around here.

The whole price office, I know, except for Buchanan, is off on this and the wrong tactics.

I can't get any help if I ever ask for it.

and get it approved then.

I'll put it in.

I'd like you to report to Haldeman now that you couldn't get it approved.

You've got to do it, because we have got to get these people saying that it is.

We don't want to give them a chance.

Right?

Yeah, but you're back in the mouth, that's right.

That's what I mean.

Ready to look all over the Mars.

I don't want it done.

Goddamnit, I didn't want to stop.

That's it.

That's how you make it flush your mouth, huh?

Alright.

Keep it alive.

All right?

But the only thing I'm really concerned about, John, is that they're going to have this big blast for two days.

I know you're working on it and so forth, but, you know, the bribers will meet the press, and Laird will face the nation, and the press conference.

That isn't the way.

It's got to be more than that.

It's got to be the goddamnedest moronic piece of it.

And not depending on Vietnam, but attacking

attacking him on Vietnam, attacking him on Amnesty, attacking him on wanting to oppose a communist government, attacking him on banging and crawling, and for the POWs.

Right.

Okay.

Did you see my question?

I guess we'll strongly check that we just mustn't miss this now.

Then wake up on Wednesday and say, gee whiz, he's making some yardage.

He'll make some yardage on it, but he doesn't need to make that much if we hit him on it.

By Tuesday's wedding etiquette, I didn't discuss one thing.

He doesn't want him there.

But he doesn't mean it.

Let him go.

All right.

Great.

Thank you.

and a bit of amnesty and have reached thinking issues.

But also, please, please, please, for once, get about eight bad quotes and direct quotes and just break it up and read.

Here is what he said.

Quote, quote, quote, quote.

Please, just read that, please.

I mean, we just put that on one page.

You know, all these guys are going to find it.

I know.

Oh, sure, sure.

A lot of them are getting the truth.

But you know, he's going to be coming up and he's going to be on that school road.

Whatever he said, amen.

Whatever he has said about it.

Nothing to do with turning the country over to the government.

Just get the direct vote.

Good.

Go Wednesday.

Yeah, good.

Yeah, we could have him.

And you see, the difficulty is, the ads we've got, the defense ad does not relate to Vietnam.

And the hard hat ad does not relate to Vietnam.

The only one that does in a very tangential way is he's changed his position.

Now you see, now that's wrong.

for these people over there to work all this time and not have an ad on Vietnam, goddammit, when it's a good issue.

Well, they should have had one.

They should have had one.

There's some terrible mistake, and it's because of, as I said, it's because of the benefit.

That's the way they believe.

Let's face it.

No, but the people that do ads basically are, even though it was us, they're for us, I'm going to say, but basically they're liberals.

That's right.

Alright.

Yeah.

But he believes in attacking.

Yeah, yeah.

That's right.

And if we don't slug him, I mean, he's not getting sick of it.

He really isn't.

He's just not that kind of a person.

No, he didn't.

What was that?

About him or... Well, I probably caught that picture, but nevertheless...

and they may be trying to create some of that too.

Seems to me it's a mistake by God.

Shouldn't raise our issues.

Well, that's why they have we're choosing, because they agree with this position.

Yeah.

Yeah, I know.

Well, it may be that they have people that are way ahead of me, but if they don't have one on Vietnam, they have really dropped the goddamn ball.

You see, basically, with Vietnam going to be his subject next week, we should have an ad on Vietnam.

I mean, on those three points.

Amnesty.

POW.

And turn the country over to the communists.

Right?

That's bacon crawl.

Okay.

That's what is really killing me, Chuck, because you see the McGovern people are actually talking to the Establishmentarian types, you know, the rich suburbs, middle class suburbs, and the rest, and they aren't talking to their constituency.

Right, because that appeals to those rich suburbs whose most, many of those kids are trapped out here.

Right.

What?

Good.

Well, we just get one commercial with you, and I want it to be great.

Good.

Great.

Thank you.