{"conversationCode":"217-020","tapeNumber":217,"conversationNumber":20,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-217-020","startDateTime":"1972-10-07T14:28:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-07T15:55:00.000Z","startDate":"7-Oct-1972","startTime":"10:28 AM","endDate":"7-Oct-1972","endTime":"11:55 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary;","description":"On October 7, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 10:28 am and 11:55 am. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 217-020 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 217-20\n\nDate: October 7, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 10:28 am and 11:55 am\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President met with Rose Mary Woods.\n\n        Draft of radio speech on Federal spending, October 7, 1972\n            -Retyping\n                 -Insert\n                      -Congress\n\n        [Pause]\n\n            -Insurance\n                -Spending\n                -Word choice\n                     -Request that Woods call an unknown person\n\n                                        (rev. Oct-06)\n\nWoods left at an unknown time before 11:55 am.","filename":["217-020.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Woods, Rose Mary"],"prevCode":"217-019","nextCode":"217-021","transcript":[{"start":0.62,"end":19.58,"text":"OK."},{"start":19.6,"end":23.64,"text":"They're going to take it off down there."},{"start":23.66,"end":23.86,"text":"Oh, I see."},{"start":23.88,"end":24.7,"text":"OK. And we have to put a little 6A there."},{"start":31.67,"end":42.11,"text":"All right."},{"start":44.8,"end":51.11,"text":"All right."},{"start":51.13,"end":51.33,"text":"All right."},{"start":51.35,"end":53.19,"text":"All right."},{"start":89.13,"end":89.61,"text":"We'll be right back."},{"start":121.72,"end":131.25,"text":"all right"},{"start":167.89,"end":193.7,"text":"What is that kind of insurance?"},{"start":193.72,"end":194.08,"text":"It's called, uh..."},{"start":194.1,"end":194.48,"text":"It's for something."},{"start":194.5,"end":195.06,"text":"Uh... For, uh... One I have."},{"start":195.08,"end":195.56,"text":"One in various states..."},{"start":196,"end":205.38,"text":"Something, like I said, spending would be insurance, and then the petrogram would be absolutely insurance."},{"start":205.4,"end":205.76,"text":"I don't want that."},{"start":205.78,"end":208.65,"text":"I can't think of any better word."},{"start":209.62,"end":210.24,"text":"I'm just leaving the term."},{"start":210.26,"end":212.32,"text":"Call somebody on the phone and see if they can think of a word, a striking word on that."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and his personal secretary, Rose Mary Woods, reviewed a draft of an upcoming radio address regarding Federal spending. Their discussion focused on refining specific terminology, particularly the use of the word \"insurance\" in the context of government expenditures. Nixon directed Woods to consult with an external contact to identify a more impactful or \"striking\" term to replace the current phrasing.","topics":["Radio address","Federal spending","Speechwriting","Rose Mary Woods","Linguistic choice"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:39:57.950Z"},"topicSlugs":["radio-address","federal-spending","speechwriting","rose-mary-woods","linguistic-choice"],"audioDurationSec":216,"audioFiles":[{"file":"217-020.mp3","bytes":5181021,"durationSec":215.81,"bitrate":192055,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:35.865Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/217-020.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/217-020","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/217/conversation-217-020","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}