{"conversationCode":"220-020","tapeNumber":220,"conversationNumber":20,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-220-020","startDateTime":"1972-10-15T16:14:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-15T23:53:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Oct-1972","startTime":"12:14 PM","endDate":"15-Oct-1972","endTime":"7:53 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President);","description":"On October 15, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 12:14 pm and 7:53 pm. 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Abplanalp\n                      -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo\n                      -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis\n                              -Refreshment\n                                      -Menu\n              -The President's October 13, 1972 meetings\n                      -Clare Merritt (Hodgson) Ruth, Bobby Thomson, Ralph Branca\n                      -Baseball\n                      -Athletes as role models\n                              -The President’s opinion of George H. (“Babe”) Ruth\n                                      -World Series\n                      -The President’s opinion of Clare Merritt (Hodgson) Ruth\n              -Campaign anecdote\n              -Hugh Scott\n              -The President’s October 13, 1972 meetings\n                      -James S. Copley, Margaret Helen (Kinney) Copley, and Victor H. Krulak\n                      -James S. Copley\n                              -The President’s description\n                                      -Health\n                      -Support\n              -October 12, 1972\n              -Foreign relations\n                      -Chou En-lai\n                      -People's Republic of China [PRC]\n                      -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]\n              -The President's October 13, 1972 meetings\n                      -Joe D. Waggonner, Jr.\n              -The President's October 12, 1972 trip to Atlanta, Georgia\n                      -Meeting with Hispanic supporters\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n                     -Governors and mayors\n                     -The President’s reception\n               -Revenue-sharing signing ceremony in Philadelphia\n                     -Frank L. Rizzo\n\n       Vietnam negotiations\n             -Possible settlement\n                    -Potential impact on forthcoming US presidential election\n                    -Nguyen Van Thieu\n                    -Henry A. Kissinger's schedule\n                             -Hanoi, Paris\n\n*****************************************************************","filename":["220-020.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)"],"prevCode":"220-019","nextCode":"221-001","transcript":[{"start":20.25,"end":43.03,"text":"We came out here last night and we had a very good pool with a lot of alcohol."},{"start":46.49,"end":70,"text":"I had to call my mother and tell her that it was my..."},{"start":70.03,"end":71.11,"text":"I had to call my mother and tell her that it was my..."},{"start":71.13,"end":72.21,"text":"I had to call my mother and tell her that it was my..."},{"start":72.54,"end":90.08,"text":"uh four times"},{"start":93.62,"end":116.76,"text":"and Bobby Thompson and Ralph Reiner, they were much greater than that."},{"start":116.78,"end":117.6,"text":"And I expect this to be very interesting."},{"start":117.62,"end":119.14,"text":"And I remarked to them that many athletics are the most glorious characters."},{"start":119.17,"end":119.48,"text":"I hope they are."},{"start":119.5,"end":120.05,"text":"And I hope they keep going."},{"start":120.07,"end":121.49,"text":"And I hope they're a fine example of what's been done around the world."},{"start":121.51,"end":122.43,"text":"And of course, I will look with my own remarks"},{"start":130.73,"end":154.02,"text":"As we, uh, as I was coming out, I ran into a little lobby and I heard her say something."},{"start":154.04,"end":155.6,"text":"She saw me, she turned to me and said, Oh, I'm just telling the boys that, uh,"},{"start":157.58,"end":179.56,"text":"Yeah, this is one of my favorite songs."},{"start":179.58,"end":180.78,"text":"And if you look at it, there's more of it than you can call."},{"start":180.8,"end":184.02,"text":"This, of course, again, reminds me of my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-"},{"start":186.75,"end":209.12,"text":"... ... ... ..."},{"start":209.38,"end":224.32,"text":"uh, with his, uh, editor, and his wife."},{"start":224.34,"end":227.95,"text":"And his editor is a good actor, and he's a great guy, and he's a great editor, and he's a great director, and he's a great editor, and he's a great editor, and he's a great editor,"},{"start":228.43,"end":250.93,"text":"And, as well, probably the treatment for the ears and for the sense."},{"start":250.95,"end":252.77,"text":"It's probably just not in charge of what you've done, so it's pretty, that's a strong line."},{"start":252.79,"end":254.19,"text":"There's a natural way to look at that, but I'll give you the coverage."},{"start":254.21,"end":254.75,"text":"I'll give you the coverage."},{"start":254.77,"end":255.31,"text":"I'll give you the coverage."},{"start":255.34,"end":255.88,"text":"I'll give you the coverage."},{"start":256.38,"end":280.24,"text":"I'm going to attempt to get her to be stuttered on."},{"start":280.26,"end":281,"text":"I'm like, where is she going to head?"},{"start":281.02,"end":281.72,"text":"Because it's not what we have here."},{"start":281.74,"end":282.6,"text":"The metal is probably sometimes very small."},{"start":282.62,"end":283.76,"text":"I'm 12, so I'm going to imagine that she's going to head."},{"start":283.78,"end":284.99,"text":"I'm going to call her and I'll surprise her with my fingers."},{"start":286.48,"end":310.08,"text":"... ... ... ..."},{"start":333.18,"end":356.06,"text":"On the next attention to the local police station, we came in with a security check."},{"start":356.08,"end":357.05,"text":"Joe Anderson, same day, with my central officer."},{"start":357.07,"end":358.75,"text":"On the next attention to the local police station, we came in with a security check."},{"start":358.77,"end":360.45,"text":"On the next attention to the local police station, we came in with a security check."},{"start":361.56,"end":388.92,"text":"."},{"start":388.94,"end":388.96,"text":"."},{"start":388.98,"end":389,"text":"."},{"start":393.02,"end":416.09,"text":"Yes."},{"start":432.18,"end":460.77,"text":"... ... ... ... ... ... ..."},{"start":461.19,"end":480.94,"text":"As far as the election is concerned, a settlement would not be a good focus."},{"start":480.96,"end":481.88,"text":"But there were risks, and there were barriers."},{"start":481.9,"end":482.88,"text":"If you were to go to an election, you would lose."},{"start":483.33,"end":502.94,"text":"... ... ... ..."},{"start":504.31,"end":531.34,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon recorded a memorandum at Camp David to summarize his recent meetings and observations regarding his 1972 re-election campaign. He reflected on various interactions, including social gatherings with athletes and political supporters, while evaluating his outreach efforts with Hispanic communities and local officials. Additionally, he assessed the delicate state of Vietnam peace negotiations, noting the strategic risks involved in reaching a settlement prior to the presidential election.","topics":["1972 Presidential Campaign","Vietnam Negotiations","Foreign Relations","Public Relations","Sports figures"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:45:50.417Z"},"topicSlugs":["1972-presidential-campaign","vietnam-negotiations","foreign-relations","public-relations","sports-figures"],"audioDurationSec":532,"audioFiles":[{"file":"220-020.mp3","bytes":21269186,"durationSec":531.61,"bitrate":320073,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.205Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:06.254Z","transcriptGapSeconds":393,"transcriptGapShare":0.74,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/220-020.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/220-020","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/220/conversation-220-020","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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