{"conversationCode":"223-011","tapeNumber":223,"conversationNumber":11,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-223-011","startDateTime":"1972-10-21T21:39:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-21T21:47:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Oct-1972","startTime":"5:39 PM","endDate":"21-Oct-1972","endTime":"5:47 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); [Unknown person(s)]; Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On October 21, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, unknown person(s), and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 5:39 pm to 5:47 pm. 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(President)","[Unknown person(s)]","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"223-010","nextCode":"223-012","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":3.12,"text":"No hurry, no hurry, no hurry."},{"start":3.8,"end":16.7,"text":"I just had something on my mind."},{"start":16.72,"end":21.63,"text":"If they haven't, if they haven't checked those, those proposals were the ones that Henry developed."},{"start":22.19,"end":32.9,"text":"After the last video, in other words, they just laid down all these conditions, right?"},{"start":36.06,"end":46.62,"text":"Let's examine it for a moment in terms of that."},{"start":46.63,"end":47.64,"text":"I would say take it."},{"start":47.66,"end":48.02,"text":"He's not going to."},{"start":48.04,"end":52.16,"text":"I would say that, is there a meeting tomorrow with him alone or with the support of the whole Security Council?"},{"start":53.02,"end":61.42,"text":"You can say that Abrams is already working on it."},{"start":61.45,"end":72.78,"text":"Henry, it should be now that I, in view of this, in that context, or I mean, so that he just hands it to you, and that's in effect the confrontation."},{"start":72.89,"end":75.48,"text":"Now, that's one way."},{"start":75.5,"end":76.4,"text":"And if he says, well, no, then what do we do?"},{"start":76.42,"end":76.9,"text":"What do you say?"},{"start":76.92,"end":79.98,"text":"Say that to him."},{"start":80,"end":81.74,"text":"We've got a further delay, but we"},{"start":84.69,"end":110.84,"text":"I mean, if, uh, basically... Well, if you want to go along, then we will have to."},{"start":110.86,"end":111.72,"text":"And when you say that, what do you do?"},{"start":111.9,"end":113.4,"text":"Can we just say this, that, uh, that, uh,"},{"start":114.33,"end":124.84,"text":"that I realize that there is a risk in how he's going to handle this."},{"start":124.86,"end":136.19,"text":"We can say that we cannot handle it here if this offer gets called in."},{"start":136.21,"end":140.71,"text":"I think it's a fact that under the circumstances, I feel as if he's testing upon our law and other things."},{"start":140.73,"end":142.16,"text":"What are your reactions to what he'll say when that's between them two?"},{"start":143.45,"end":164.3,"text":"So it's the total truth, which I'd be saying is fine."},{"start":164.32,"end":166.32,"text":"I don't want to go as long, but I think you should know that Grinnell will help us with this."},{"start":166.34,"end":166.44,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":166.46,"end":172.21,"text":"But the reality of it, what it does, that it will have, there will be an enormous demand for, and to accept, you know, that I, but to tell him that he has the most liberal view that Henry has,"},{"start":172.8,"end":189.46,"text":"and play it to the rest of Canada and whatever the judgment is."},{"start":189.48,"end":190.4,"text":"I mean, if it doesn't turn out, we understand."},{"start":190.42,"end":194.5,"text":"But the only thing I can think of, of course, is the possibility of delay."},{"start":194.52,"end":198.47,"text":"Really, the best of all worlds, I don't put the damn thing on until the day after the election."},{"start":199.65,"end":213.44,"text":"but I think they have to be told that now in our deal."},{"start":213.46,"end":223.07,"text":"Yeah, that if you know these latest instructions that we have just used, use all the pressure you can."},{"start":223.09,"end":223.83,"text":"And that's a personal message for me."},{"start":223.85,"end":224.53,"text":"I've done my studies all day here."},{"start":224.55,"end":225.67,"text":"I've thought about an exam on the one end and the other."},{"start":225.69,"end":227.03,"text":"That's our contingent assurance that we'll see if the deal is kept."},{"start":227.05,"end":227.19,"text":"Okay?"},{"start":227.21,"end":228.67,"text":"All right, thanks."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Alexander Haig coordinate a strategy for handling sensitive diplomatic proposals developed by Henry Kissinger regarding peace negotiations. The discussion focuses on managing potential confrontations and applying diplomatic pressure while carefully weighing the risks of early disclosure versus delaying public announcements until after the 1972 election. Nixon emphasizes the need for a personal message to be conveyed to maintain assurance that the potential deal will be honored.","topics":["Henry Kissinger","Vietnam peace negotiations","1972 Presidential Election","Diplomatic strategy","Foreign policy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:48:09.582Z"},"topicSlugs":["henry-kissinger","vietnam-peace-negotiations","1972-presidential-election","diplomatic-strategy","foreign-policy"],"audioDurationSec":232,"audioFiles":[{"file":"223-011.mp3","bytes":5558438,"durationSec":231.55,"bitrate":192045,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.205Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/223-011.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/223-011","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/223/conversation-223-011","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}