{"conversationCode":"223-021","tapeNumber":223,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-223-021","startDateTime":"1972-10-22T15:36:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-10-22T15:47:00.000Z","startDate":"22-Oct-1972","startTime":"11:36 AM","endDate":"22-Oct-1972","endTime":"11:47 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Hirsch, William; [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On October 22, 1972, William Hirsch and unknown person(s) met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 11:36 am and 11:47 am. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 223-021 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":4,"chronRelease":"Fourth Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"10-Dec-2003","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 223-21\n\nDate: October 22, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 11:36 am and 11:47 am\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nWilliam Hirsch and an unknown man met.\n\n        Telephone in Aspen Lodge\n            -Location\n            -Jerry [last name unknown]\n\nHirsch and the unknown man left at an unknown time before 11:47 am.","filename":["223-021.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Hirsch, William","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"223-020","nextCode":"224-001","transcript":[{"start":0.08,"end":6.15,"text":"Okay."},{"start":6.97,"end":20.35,"text":"Real fun."},{"start":21.33,"end":27.64,"text":"Okay."},{"start":29.41,"end":39.85,"text":"I really think it should, I guess, anyway, because that cord is going to be having to reach all the way over."},{"start":39.88,"end":40.5,"text":"Right here, just a second."},{"start":40.58,"end":40.68,"text":"Okay."},{"start":40.7,"end":45.69,"text":"Let's see, one, two, and... Oh, that's very complicated."},{"start":45.71,"end":45.85,"text":"Thanks."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"William Hirsch met with an unidentified individual at the Aspen Lodge at Camp David to oversee technical adjustments to the facility's telephone infrastructure. The participants focused on the physical placement of a telephone unit and the logistical challenges posed by the length of the cord. The discussion concluded once the cabling issues were addressed.","topics":["Camp David","Telephone installation","Telecommunications","Infrastructure","William Hirsch"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:49:04.572Z"},"topicSlugs":["camp-david","telephone-installation","telecommunications","infrastructure","william-hirsch"],"audioDurationSec":48,"audioFiles":[{"file":"223-021.mp3","bytes":1157955,"durationSec":48.17,"bitrate":192298,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.204Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/223-021.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/223-021","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/223/conversation-223-021","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}