{"conversationCode":"224-019","tapeNumber":224,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-224-019","startDateTime":"1972-11-14T18:10:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-14T18:15:00.000Z","startDate":"14-Nov-1972","startTime":"1:10 PM","endDate":"14-Nov-1972","endTime":"1:15 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Cox, Tricia Nixon;","description":"On November 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Tricia Nixon Cox met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 1:10 pm to 1:15 pm. 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(President)","Cox, Tricia Nixon"],"prevCode":"224-018","nextCode":"224-020","transcript":[{"start":1.65,"end":4.19,"text":"Hi, Trish."},{"start":4.21,"end":9.14,"text":"How are you doing?"},{"start":10.9,"end":11.36,"text":"Getting along?"},{"start":11.38,"end":18.05,"text":"Was that your first visit?"},{"start":18.07,"end":22.54,"text":"No, but he wasn't there."},{"start":22.56,"end":23.1,"text":"I bet he wasn't there."},{"start":23.12,"end":23.22,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":23.24,"end":28.91,"text":"And Burger saw you there, didn't he?"},{"start":29.03,"end":29.13,"text":"Nice."},{"start":32.87,"end":60.38,"text":"You know one thing that you and me and Julie ought to talk about is, I don't want to get too much in your way, but I really think it's important that we take that third floor room and make it into a really warm, pleasant,"},{"start":62.25,"end":63.11,"text":"Manly room."},{"start":63.13,"end":76.69,"text":"Well, a room that we, that's right, where we can go up and, you know, sit around and maybe the bar thing should be kept."},{"start":76.81,"end":84.16,"text":"I mean, obviously, leave it with that, but set it up so that it looks nicer, you know."},{"start":84.26,"end":88.29,"text":"It's ugly the way it's done now with a proper little bar lock back there."},{"start":88.31,"end":90.63,"text":"But then with the furniture more comfortable and decorated more colorfully."},{"start":90.65,"end":91.51,"text":"I like to see it decorated colorfully."},{"start":91.53,"end":92.17,"text":"Why don't you talk to my man?"},{"start":92.45,"end":95.18,"text":"Okay."},{"start":95.3,"end":99.12,"text":"It's a hell of a good project."},{"start":99.14,"end":99.54,"text":"That's right."},{"start":99.56,"end":118.79,"text":"You see, there are times when people want to be using the West Hall or the old, or anybody who may want to go up and stand in the way, or where you have guests who may want to be there, but the room should be made into a pleasant room."},{"start":118.81,"end":119.61,"text":"It's rather barren in my view now."},{"start":119.63,"end":119.75,"text":"Right?"},{"start":119.79,"end":122.41,"text":"But you know, just get a damned up decorator in and have them fix it up with bright colors"},{"start":123.2,"end":128.21,"text":"That's what I like."},{"start":128.99,"end":130.37,"text":"Oh, I..."},{"start":130.39,"end":131.11,"text":"I like anything."},{"start":132.78,"end":136.06,"text":"I like blues and reds and yellows, you know."},{"start":137.74,"end":141.06,"text":"But, uh, they'll not happen."},{"start":141.29,"end":141.51,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":141.59,"end":141.69,"text":"Okay."},{"start":141.71,"end":143.65,"text":"Well, anyway, just fine."},{"start":144.09,"end":145.61,"text":"We're working on that."},{"start":145.63,"end":146.05,"text":"It's winter here now."},{"start":146.07,"end":146.67,"text":"All the leaves are gone."},{"start":146.69,"end":147.11,"text":"It's foggy."},{"start":147.13,"end":152.28,"text":"But, uh, I've been working inside all of them because they've been tremendous work we're getting done."},{"start":152.78,"end":158.13,"text":"But it's come along fine."},{"start":158.15,"end":158.31,"text":"Right."},{"start":158.51,"end":166.5,"text":"I see McGovern complain that Wallace's votes went to us and then to them."},{"start":166.52,"end":171.89,"text":"He said, well, he's not quite that."},{"start":172.27,"end":172.73,"text":"He's worse."},{"start":173.47,"end":175.67,"text":"He's worse in a sense."},{"start":175.69,"end":176.69,"text":"He's a total ideologue."},{"start":178.01,"end":181.92,"text":"And he's not as smart as the Congress."},{"start":181.94,"end":182.42,"text":"Well, anyway."},{"start":183.04,"end":190.15,"text":"You have a good time now."},{"start":192.15,"end":202.64,"text":"We'll see you."},{"start":202.66,"end":202.74,"text":"Bye."},{"start":203.54,"end":205.67,"text":"Yeah, he's going to be here."},{"start":205.69,"end":205.79,"text":"What?"},{"start":205.81,"end":206.45,"text":"He's going to come out for that."},{"start":206.47,"end":206.57,"text":"Okay."},{"start":206.59,"end":206.79,"text":"All right."},{"start":206.81,"end":206.89,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with his daughter, Tricia Nixon Cox, at Camp David to discuss personal domestic projects and share brief political observations. 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