{"conversationCode":"225-004","tapeNumber":225,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-225-004","startDateTime":"1972-11-15T00:34:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-15T00:42:00.000Z","startDate":"14-Nov-1972","startTime":"7:34 PM","endDate":"14-Nov-1972","endTime":"7:42 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On November 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 7:34 pm to 7:42 pm. 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(President)","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"225-003","nextCode":"225-005","transcript":[{"start":0.18,"end":3.85,"text":"Hello."},{"start":3.87,"end":5.05,"text":"Chuck, where'd I hit you, Paul?"},{"start":7.91,"end":8.79,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":8.81,"end":15.74,"text":"Well, how's it going?"},{"start":15.98,"end":17.28,"text":"Good."},{"start":17.3,"end":24.29,"text":"We have a mixture of people, you know, so they really have a balance to do with the whole thing."},{"start":24.31,"end":24.97,"text":"And they're fair-minded people."},{"start":24.99,"end":26.29,"text":"I want to hand this on to Steve, and we've got a real reading."},{"start":30.41,"end":59.97,"text":"do a read about the clear egg campaign he's uh apparently celebrating but uh they uh Michael Lasker said that all the dvd cameras are on there at 3 20 3 25 that he that he started to shout four more years and they yelled four more years Al Garten said that uh questions next victory in the market next market and I got over the"},{"start":64.27,"end":84.62,"text":"It doesn't matter much in terms of, I only went up about six points, but breaking that sound barrier is something that's like four miles."},{"start":84.64,"end":85.68,"text":"Let me ask you something."},{"start":85.7,"end":91.87,"text":"Is query a possibility, or would you consider it a conference job?"},{"start":91.89,"end":93.67,"text":"You'd like to be asked, I'm sure, at any event."},{"start":94.46,"end":108.14,"text":"Probably figures that he's got, you know, ready to hike his career and all that sort of thing."},{"start":108.16,"end":113.65,"text":"Yeah, but we could, uh, I'd like to get a good, uh, frankly, get a Catholic businessman in that job."},{"start":113.67,"end":116.15,"text":"That would be a very good place to have him."},{"start":116.17,"end":117.33,"text":"This is, you know, Congressmen."},{"start":156.5,"end":162.62,"text":"It's not bad."},{"start":163.48,"end":165.15,"text":"OK."},{"start":165.16,"end":170.53,"text":"It's all right."},{"start":171.01,"end":174.47,"text":"He's more middle America, really."},{"start":177.52,"end":181.48,"text":"See what I have in mind."},{"start":181.5,"end":182.4,"text":"I think we ought to have both that and labor."},{"start":182.42,"end":183.78,"text":"Cutting the whole meaning says he didn't want a labor hitter."},{"start":183.8,"end":185.41,"text":"And that's obvious, because he doesn't want anybody but him to be the labor man."},{"start":209.13,"end":222.13,"text":"I think it really was a shocking bad thing where he said the country lost."},{"start":223.83,"end":234.51,"text":"And I rather think that, I don't want to come too honest, but I think someone like Goldwater is a modest job line when that's what he does."},{"start":234.53,"end":235.09,"text":"That's good."},{"start":235.11,"end":235.35,"text":"Good."},{"start":235.37,"end":238.29,"text":"I think it's just special that I never know himself up a little."},{"start":238.45,"end":238.81,"text":"I'll take it over."},{"start":238.83,"end":238.93,"text":"Okay."},{"start":246.47,"end":246.79,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Charles Colson discuss potential appointments for the second administration, specifically focusing on the strategic selection of a Catholic businessman for a congressional-liaison type role. Nixon emphasizes the importance of balancing his cabinet and appointments to reflect 'Middle America' while maneuvering around the influence of labor leaders. The conversation concludes with a brief reflection on recent campaign momentum and the objective of positioning loyal figures in key administrative posts.","topics":["Personnel appointments","Cabinet selection","Political strategy","Catholic representation","Labor relations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:52:19.919Z"},"topicSlugs":["personnel-appointments","cabinet-selection","political-strategy","catholic-representation","labor-relations"],"audioDurationSec":247,"audioFiles":[{"file":"225-004.mp3","bytes":5924796,"durationSec":246.73,"bitrate":192103,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.205Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/225-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/225-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/225/conversation-225-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}