{"conversationCode":"225-016","tapeNumber":225,"conversationNumber":16,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-225-016","startDateTime":"1972-11-15T14:50:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-15T15:05:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Nov-1972","startTime":"9:50 AM","endDate":"15-Nov-1972","endTime":"10:05 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On November 15, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 9:50 am and 10:05 am. 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Elliot], RKP [Raymond K.\n                  Price, Jr.]\n           -1972 election\n\f                                            -9-\n\n                 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 225-16 (cont’d)\n\n                 -Messages of congratulations\n                      -The President’s appreciation\n           -Tone\n           -Letters\n           -Quality\n\n*****************************************************************\n[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]\n\n           -Gifts and mementos\n                 -Delivery\n                 -Letters\n                 -Presidential certificates\n                 -Letters\n                        -Committee to Reelect the President [CRP]\n                        -Grand Old Party [GOP]\n                        -Advance men\n                        -Local volunteers\n                        -Smaller contributors\n                 -Gifts\n                 -Letters\n                        -White House staff\n                        -Cabinet\n                        -Surrogates\n                        -Vendors\n                              -Pollsters\n                              -Filmmakers\n\n[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]\n*****************************************************************\n\n      Haldeman’s schedule\n           -Patrick J. Buchanan\n           -Agnew\n\n      The President’s schedule\n           -Agnew\n                 -Location\n\f                                              -10-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 225-16 (cont’d)\n\nHaldeman left at an unknown time before 10:05 am.","filename":["225-016.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"225-015","nextCode":"225-017","transcript":[{"start":0.18,"end":15.1,"text":"I think now I haven't talked to them."},{"start":15.76,"end":25.18,"text":"You don't need to be with them."},{"start":25.28,"end":29.58,"text":"This is R-N-S-T-E-N-S-T-E-N-S-T-E-N-S-T-E-N-S-T-E-N-S-T-E-N-S-T-E-N-S-T-E-N-S-T-E-N-S-T-E-N-S-T-E-N-S-T-E-N-S-T-E-N-S-T-E-N"},{"start":29.71,"end":32.04,"text":"My people meant a great deal."},{"start":35.9,"end":36.72,"text":"It's impossible."},{"start":36.74,"end":43.25,"text":"It's impossible for me to have to sit here and fart around with these goddamn letters."},{"start":43.45,"end":50.16,"text":"I'll do that one over too, but there you go."},{"start":50.6,"end":51.4,"text":"That's pretty bad."},{"start":51.68,"end":53.02,"text":"It's just not good."},{"start":53.05,"end":54.01,"text":"It's pretty bad."},{"start":54.89,"end":55.79,"text":"Now, what is this?"},{"start":56.01,"end":57.59,"text":"business about gifts and things."},{"start":57.79,"end":60.09,"text":"I don't know what in Christ we're talking about."},{"start":60.23,"end":64.29,"text":"I don't know what we're sending in the way of the meadows."},{"start":64.31,"end":69.04,"text":"I wonder if we should just send them later and get the letters off."},{"start":69.06,"end":70.38,"text":"See what I mean?"},{"start":70.54,"end":70.74,"text":"Sure."},{"start":70.86,"end":71.78,"text":"It would take time and so forth."},{"start":71.8,"end":74.02,"text":"Then I don't have to put them in a crowd about a meadow."},{"start":74.04,"end":74.48,"text":"Okay."},{"start":74.5,"end":74.58,"text":"See?"},{"start":74.6,"end":74.76,"text":"Okay."},{"start":74.9,"end":79.85,"text":"Just fire them off and send a letter to them too, right?"},{"start":79.99,"end":80.07,"text":"Yep."},{"start":80.09,"end":82.37,"text":"Because there's a meadow that doesn't fit in like this."},{"start":82.39,"end":83.95,"text":"It'll take a while to get to the meadow."},{"start":83.97,"end":84.39,"text":"Residential strategic"},{"start":85.06,"end":88.59,"text":"That should also go, too, at a later time."},{"start":88.61,"end":90.51,"text":"But I just think the letter should go now."},{"start":91.03,"end":96.22,"text":"OK, I'll put it down later."},{"start":96.24,"end":102.79,"text":"Presidential letters without a gift to the local CRPG ."},{"start":102.81,"end":104.25,"text":"You can go through all that."},{"start":104.27,"end":110.08,"text":"But can't the advancement get the same kind of a damn letter, exactly the same that I write to the members of the committee on the election for president?"},{"start":110.1,"end":110.2,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":110.22,"end":110.86,"text":"It's a good general letter."},{"start":110.88,"end":113.25,"text":"And the work you've done and so forth, they don't have to say,"},{"start":113.67,"end":124,"text":"I think the gift should go later."},{"start":124.3,"end":125.02,"text":"Okay."},{"start":125.48,"end":133.19,"text":"That's why I got the letters all fat."},{"start":133.78,"end":139.56,"text":"If the letter's right now, then the white house fat."},{"start":140.26,"end":140.81,"text":"Anything else?"},{"start":141.38,"end":143.64,"text":"What is the White House staff?"},{"start":143.82,"end":147.34,"text":"What are they supposed to get?"},{"start":148.26,"end":152.35,"text":"I think they should get... No, I don't think they should."},{"start":152.37,"end":155.86,"text":"Not any more than the members of the cabinet."},{"start":155.88,"end":156.36,"text":"That's right."},{"start":156.38,"end":157.68,"text":"They should get a letter, do you think?"},{"start":157.7,"end":159.12,"text":"When they leave."},{"start":159.14,"end":160.44,"text":"But people shouldn't get letters for doing their duty."},{"start":160.46,"end":160.82,"text":"So you're right."},{"start":161.02,"end":161.68,"text":"Who do you write?"},{"start":166.03,"end":169.84,"text":"Do we write down all the surrogates?"},{"start":169.85,"end":170.4,"text":"We don't have them on here."},{"start":170.42,"end":171.2,"text":"Who the hell is a renter?"},{"start":171.48,"end":173.2,"text":"That I think we should take off."},{"start":173.22,"end":179.97,"text":"That's the people that we bought stuff from."},{"start":181.07,"end":181.33,"text":"No."},{"start":181.35,"end":182.17,"text":"Hell no."},{"start":182.55,"end":183.24,"text":"Ever."},{"start":183.25,"end":183.57,"text":"Ever."},{"start":183.59,"end":184.74,"text":"Like a film producer."},{"start":184.86,"end":186.86,"text":"No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no."},{"start":186.88,"end":189.14,"text":"They are all paid."},{"start":189.16,"end":189.7,"text":"No, sir."},{"start":190.04,"end":194.07,"text":"No, no, no, no, no, no, no."},{"start":194.09,"end":194.77,"text":"I think it's bad."},{"start":194.99,"end":195.27,"text":"I agree."},{"start":196.93,"end":199.94,"text":"We have them off of the, they're not on the."},{"start":201.53,"end":205.34,"text":"We'll have a little talk with Buchanan, then come right over."},{"start":205.36,"end":206.49,"text":"Take five minutes is all you need."},{"start":206.5,"end":210.01,"text":"But I'll just get in the living room here and talk to him."},{"start":210.03,"end":213.2,"text":"Why don't you cut in when you're ready?"},{"start":213.22,"end":213.42,"text":"All right."},{"start":213.44,"end":214.08,"text":"You want to meet him over there?"},{"start":214.1,"end":216.65,"text":"Where is he now?"},{"start":216.67,"end":218.17,"text":"He's on his way here."},{"start":218.19,"end":219.07,"text":"All right, let me know when you're ready."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. 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