{"conversationCode":"226-017","tapeNumber":226,"conversationNumber":17,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-226-017","startDateTime":"1972-11-18T01:33:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-18T01:35:00.000Z","startDate":"17-Nov-1972","startTime":"8:33 PM","endDate":"17-Nov-1972","endTime":"8:35 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On November 17, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 8:33 pm to 8:35 pm. 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(\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"226-016","nextCode":"226-018","transcript":[{"start":0.23,"end":10.36,"text":"Uh, I'm sorry to get this, this rubbish thing to be sure."},{"start":10.38,"end":16.99,"text":"I want you to be able to go down with us."},{"start":17.01,"end":18.91,"text":"Say, talk to Larry."},{"start":18.93,"end":27.26,"text":"Like, once we, the president offered him a very important position, you know, and, and, and Larry said, no, he's happy, and so forth."},{"start":27.28,"end":28.6,"text":"Then go down and say, as far as pressure is concerned, he'll stay."},{"start":28.62,"end":30,"text":"As far as planning, he might sustain, you know, for a reason in time."},{"start":30.37,"end":31.85,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":34.9,"end":36.32,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":38.02,"end":38.62,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":39.48,"end":41.97,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":44.73,"end":45.49,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":47.97,"end":48.35,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":51.52,"end":56.64,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":57.97,"end":58.19,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":58.81,"end":65.73,"text":"You are the only one that we have any problem with."},{"start":66.14,"end":68.68,"text":"Let's talk about that."},{"start":69.04,"end":77.49,"text":"I'd be very cold turkey about it, so he doesn't get with this crap that I'm gonna be cold and hard with people."},{"start":77.65,"end":79.71,"text":"Because I told you that Beth was concerned about the comms."},{"start":79.73,"end":81.17,"text":"What do you think of that?"},{"start":81.19,"end":82.19,"text":"Have there been comms?"},{"start":82.22,"end":87.6,"text":"And then, sir, she said that, she said that Julie and Tricia Brayson put it too, that there have been comms."},{"start":87.62,"end":88.76,"text":"They've been hard-hearted and cold."},{"start":89.15,"end":100.18,"text":"I think that what we've done has been rather, if anything, more than average approval."},{"start":100.22,"end":104.64,"text":"Or has it been?"},{"start":104.66,"end":104.96,"text":"Or has it?"},{"start":104.98,"end":105.32,"text":"Or have asked?"},{"start":107,"end":108.26,"text":"Maybe we're a 50-50 or what?"},{"start":109.03,"end":109.75,"text":"What does it mean?"},{"start":109.77,"end":110.03,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":111.45,"end":118.03,"text":"But in terms of what I said in the Horner interview and where we're going to go, what is the reaction?"},{"start":118.05,"end":118.41,"text":"Is it negative?"},{"start":118.61,"end":118.73,"text":"Is it?"},{"start":120.18,"end":121.34,"text":"Okay."},{"start":121.36,"end":121.6,"text":"Okay."},{"start":121.62,"end":123.32,"text":"Let me work it out for us."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H.R. Haldeman discuss personnel management and the perception of the administration's internal culture. Nixon directs Haldeman to address sensitive staffing matters with Larry and expresses concern over reports from family members, including Julie and Tricia, that his administration is perceived as being overly cold and hard-hearted. The President seeks to evaluate the administration's public standing and communications strategies in response to these criticisms.","topics":["Personnel management","Public perception","Administration tone","Communication strategy","Staffing"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T10:57:15.558Z"},"topicSlugs":["personnel-management","public-perception","administration-tone","communication-strategy","staffing"],"audioDurationSec":128,"audioFiles":[{"file":"226-017.mp3","bytes":3078497,"durationSec":128.13,"bitrate":192205,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.205Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/226-017.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/226-017","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/226/conversation-226-017","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}