{"conversationCode":"227-001","tapeNumber":227,"conversationNumber":1,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-227-001","startDateTime":"1972-11-19T17:15:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-19T18:01:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Nov-1972","startTime":"12:15 PM","endDate":"19-Nov-1972","endTime":"1:01 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On November 19, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 12:15 pm and 1:01 pm. 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(\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"226-036","nextCode":"227-002","transcript":[{"start":1.06,"end":15.74,"text":"He has another function."},{"start":16.82,"end":21.1,"text":"And I want to know whether he's up to that."},{"start":21.12,"end":22.39,"text":"That's really what he's up to."},{"start":22.41,"end":24.11,"text":"Because I think that's important for us all before we move on."},{"start":24.13,"end":26.13,"text":"Well, I know I'll ever be with the management because of the substance."},{"start":26.15,"end":27.13,"text":"I didn't give a damn about that."},{"start":27.15,"end":28.81,"text":"I didn't talk to anybody like a big ladies man and all that."},{"start":28.83,"end":29.73,"text":"I was"},{"start":30.29,"end":34.25,"text":"Days out of this, why not?"},{"start":34.27,"end":41.14,"text":"He could be a lady's man for five minutes."},{"start":41.16,"end":41.46,"text":"That's all."},{"start":41.48,"end":45.53,"text":"Do you realize that?"},{"start":45.55,"end":46.01,"text":"That's all."},{"start":46.03,"end":48.57,"text":"In fact, his failure to see the substance is what concerns me."},{"start":48.59,"end":50.1,"text":"Back off."},{"start":50.12,"end":50.5,"text":"Off the coast."},{"start":50.98,"end":51.38,"text":"We talked to him."},{"start":51.4,"end":52.46,"text":"I worked it out."},{"start":53.36,"end":55.58,"text":"Whatever the duty was being."},{"start":55.6,"end":56.73,"text":"Having his office physically in the White House."},{"start":56.74,"end":58.67,"text":"We could get somebody else to leave."},{"start":58.69,"end":58.93,"text":"Hold on."},{"start":59.7,"end":74.48,"text":"It's going to be a very good one to get out of the way and ask him what he'd like to announce."},{"start":74.5,"end":76.48,"text":"And I said, what date?"},{"start":76.5,"end":78.49,"text":"Take it to the 20th."},{"start":78.69,"end":79.59,"text":"Don't force it on him."},{"start":79.61,"end":82.95,"text":"Now, do we have any idea yet about Redstone?"},{"start":85.89,"end":86,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":86.02,"end":86.42,"text":"What he wants to do."},{"start":86.54,"end":87.82,"text":"I'll offer him a capital solution."},{"start":89.17,"end":106.09,"text":"Because I'm not going to have anybody in there for a month, or two months, or six months, and then delete it from our office."},{"start":106.11,"end":106.75,"text":"That's bad."},{"start":106.77,"end":107.17,"text":"So let's just stop."},{"start":107.19,"end":107.95,"text":"I lean very strongly."},{"start":107.97,"end":116.22,"text":"If Chuck can get this sentence to accept it, I think I'm going to take credit for the labor job."},{"start":116.24,"end":117.91,"text":"I have reasons for doing this to him."},{"start":118.27,"end":122,"text":"That's not what I like."},{"start":122.56,"end":124.5,"text":"That's not what I like."},{"start":124.52,"end":127.48,"text":"Because Brennan wants to cut the guts out of the Jewish clack over there, see?"},{"start":127.5,"end":132.45,"text":"That's how you say it."},{"start":132.47,"end":132.85,"text":"Coastal control."},{"start":132.87,"end":133.49,"text":"That's how you say commerce."},{"start":133.51,"end":136.25,"text":"And it opens up transportation."},{"start":136.79,"end":137.27,"text":"Both of those."},{"start":137.41,"end":139.91,"text":"The impression that they want, you know, the mic on recession."},{"start":139.94,"end":141.26,"text":"You see?"},{"start":142.28,"end":142.58,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":143.04,"end":143.22,"text":"I know."},{"start":143.34,"end":145.72,"text":"But I understand that's not changed."},{"start":145.74,"end":146.62,"text":"Right."},{"start":146.64,"end":146.76,"text":"Right."},{"start":148.01,"end":152.03,"text":"Well, that's right."},{"start":152.05,"end":156.58,"text":"But you understand, now that transportation can keep bread, we can get bread for life, fine."},{"start":157.4,"end":167.53,"text":"That doesn't mean, though, that in transportation and in commerce, I think it should be my two candidates are the one."},{"start":167.67,"end":169.81,"text":"My woman is the first choice."},{"start":169.83,"end":172.51,"text":"I just think it would be a hell of a good signal to the party."},{"start":172.53,"end":174.75,"text":"It's a good signal to the women."},{"start":174.77,"end":175.43,"text":"It's a good signal to the public."},{"start":176.12,"end":184.03,"text":"the business community, the hell of a business community wants."},{"start":184.05,"end":186.92,"text":"And you have to put, you have to draw the trust of Dr. Keppel's people, but it doesn't make all that much difference."},{"start":186.94,"end":190.6,"text":"I just think it has a hell of a sound to it."},{"start":190.62,"end":191.4,"text":"I don't know anything."},{"start":191.42,"end":192.94,"text":"And she'd be a hell of a salesman for us."},{"start":194.47,"end":198.95,"text":"And she isn't shopwired."},{"start":198.97,"end":200.37,"text":"So we've got to have a little flair, a little flair."},{"start":210.94,"end":227.88,"text":"I don't think so."},{"start":227.9,"end":234.55,"text":"I'm afraid it's, I think it's, she might be, but with all that oil and stuff out there, I'm not sure."},{"start":234.57,"end":235.23,"text":"I guess she could be my car then."},{"start":235.25,"end":235.49,"text":"My car then."},{"start":235.51,"end":235.93,"text":"Commerce or Interior."},{"start":235.95,"end":237,"text":"Then we could have her come away and have her do it."},{"start":237.01,"end":237.94,"text":"It's not that, that only leaves us then."},{"start":237.96,"end":239.66,"text":"That would mean all this, all this, however it would only work out provided"},{"start":240.43,"end":259.03,"text":"go with the scally of the U.N. from having to go up the wall and just brutalize him because he's not going to do it."},{"start":259.05,"end":260.05,"text":"When he comes, it's my intention to do it."},{"start":260.07,"end":265.54,"text":"And Shultz has got to brace up and be a man here to offer him the deputy's job over there."},{"start":265.56,"end":265.68,"text":"Right?"},{"start":265.7,"end":267.1,"text":"You weren't in the conversation with Shultz when Shultz served."},{"start":269.15,"end":273.6,"text":"Well, he didn't have anybody else."},{"start":273.62,"end":279.44,"text":"Anyway, let's just point out we've got to have a political man in that job."},{"start":279.46,"end":281.15,"text":"Tell Erdman to work that out with Schultz."},{"start":281.75,"end":287.23,"text":"Because, see, I can't see these guys tomorrow without telling them to offer it."},{"start":287.25,"end":288.58,"text":"Bush has that."},{"start":288.6,"end":289,"text":"I don't want Bush."},{"start":289.02,"end":294.1,"text":"But I don't want to push Bush up to the cabinet."},{"start":294.12,"end":298.05,"text":"Although, if he didn't take that, he is another possibility for the Congress, John."},{"start":303.36,"end":312.57,"text":"I need some of these answers 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