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Uh, let me say this one thing.

Sapphire's desire is to stay here for a couple months and write a book.

Well, first, to stay here a couple months and work on a, uh, you know, slogans and names.

I mean, Sapphire's walking away from today.

I don't surprise him.

One is, we haven't treated him very nicely.

Then he would like to leave and write a book.

He has an inside book.

It's this kind of story.

Now, how much time do we have to have with him?

We don't have to have time.

He does not know a lot.

I think we can pump him with a lot of stuff.

That question is where we trust him.

I think we do.

I trust him.

But I don't think Sapphire will go get published, you know, read.

Look, well, the other advantage is Sapphire is enough of a self-promoter.

He knows how to go out and do this stuff.

He'll get himself on television for interviews and all that kind of stuff.

I don't think he's one of the few guys that was in society for four years.

Well, he's one of the few.

At least he knows the domestic side of things.

And then Jude, as a Jew, and he's probably talked to him, I don't think you trust him much, but he ain't always what we can pump it up.

And I really think, I mean, he's not the best guy.

You think he's the guy to write it.

Who else you got?

Who the hell's the best?

He's a hell of a lot better than Price.

Well, he better as a whore.

He'll put out the stuff.

It's better because Price was trying to, well, follow her, be honest, and so forth.

It's worth working on Sapphire, all right?

And until Sapphire, he's got the commission.

And I'll get him some time, but the thing to do, if I may suggest, is to get some of the memory.

You've given this memory out of my room here.

That's my point.

We may start giving you some of the memory.

Let him have access to it all.

Not enough, but not everything that I have.

Oh, I know what I should give him in the way of notes.

I have done some of the things.

You should go talk to Connelly.

Yeah.

You should go talk to Connelly.

Goddamn it.

You should talk to him right now.

You know, and also he's come to get across this fact that how the goddamn press is pissed on us.

You know, that's a... Another, uh, bring in the, uh, Last Light magazine.

You have...

I had no better candidate, unless more of the right one.

More of them.

I don't think we're ever going to get a good night.

I told him I'd grow a laser or something like that.

He'd give him all the time.

It's all been 30 hours.

He can write a letter.

Or I'll work with him.

Yeah.

Or I wanted to work with that.

I wanted to work with that.

The rest, incidentally, Henry must work with him.

Henry has got to work with him.

But it could be that Sapphire can get a bestseller out of this.

If he knows how.

But I'll give him some time.

But what I'm most likely to do is to write memorandum on the dictaphone.

And then he can find out about this sort of thing.

I mean, he can take, for example, you take that interview with Horner.

That's a, that's a, that doesn't take much of my time.

It took an hour.

But that's a hell of an interview that has insight into the rest.

Well, Horner left out the best part.

But Sapphire would not leave out the best part.

The other thing is Sapphire, with this kind of book, I think could get excerpted

You know, in a newspaper syndicated thing, a series of comments.

See, the votes aren't important.

Now, let me tell you.

That's right.

Our boys don't understand.

Well, when I say even they aren't, it's the only thing that mattered before the election was television.

Right.

In terms of getting people to have some sort of a proper picture of this administration, it's the vote.

I may be overstating the situation.

I may be.

It may be that what has been written since the election hasn't been quite as bad on public society.

What do you think of that picture?

It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

The text in life has been the best thing we've ever had in life, even our editorial.

And it was.

My senators have been good.

Yes, sir.

Who wrote it?

Who was the new editor?

Louie Banks.

No, it's like I... No president cares here.

Society is different.

It shows you how petrified they are.

They've yet found a favorable place in the history books to ranker and revenge.

Why should I have ranker?

There hasn't been one iota of ranker.

Of course, I was written before you knew anything you were going to do.

And you haven't been ranked or benched or anything.

Of course, probably.

Because there's no intention of any of that.

He really gets up to Ivy League and all the rest.

In a stature like Henry Kissinger, I'm deeply concerned about the dangers of bullying one of Nixon's massive victims.

I want to set up a situation where I have a social engagement with Mr. and Mrs. General and Mrs. Haig, where they come together.

Haig is to be told in advance.

The purpose of it is uncovered.

I'll tell Captain Chief to take Mrs. Haig over and we can discuss the counterculture part and all that sort of thing.

My purpose is to talk to Haig quite candidly about the end of the problem.

So long.

You probably don't know where he, why he developed this list.

I got him in one day, and I told him.

I said, I need the list, and I want it.

And he says, all right.

And I said, I'll never show it to anybody else.

I need to know who are the bad guys and the good guys.

And we finally have it.

It's an incredibly surprising view.

It's not surprising in the slightest.

But it's massive.

And when you put it all together, it's surprising.

You know, you take any one of them, and I do a lot of them.

What do you want to do about it?

I just, that's, you know, when you can work it out, or I don't, uh, how do you see your pattern now for next week when we're at the White House or up there?

I don't know.

They're down right still.

We finished these people.

Good.

They held on.

That's right.

Yeah.

But we've got to finish them.

They've got to get their butts off of their jobs and get back here.

That's right.

We will finish them.

They're all the way back.

They're gone next week.

They can't be there.

Oh, look, they're both meeting around me on Friday.

This Friday?

Oh, good.

Good.

And, uh, they did pretty well.

Basically, you're pretty well done claiming that you can't get to him on Monday, but that's all right.

He could have come Sunday.

All right, I'll do it Monday here.

We can do it Sunday here when we come back.

You can come back and do it Sunday evening.

No, Monday's better.

Monday, he gets in on Sunday, and then we'll start back up again.

The other one is Hudson.

No, Hudson, we've gone in now.

That's right.

All right.

No, we need a Wednesday.

Good.

Wednesday we've got Hudson, and I want something offered to Hutch, for example.

If he would take it, for example, he could take the SEC or anything he wants.

I mean, Hutch wants, you know, the commission types and so forth and so on.

Look over the good things.

He's a very loyal home.

I want to offer something.

A little bag, including Ambassador, if he wants it.

His wife is very nice.

They're one of the nicest people in the world.

Right.

And tell him that if he would like any embassy, I'll give it to him, and so forth and so on.

I think he wants to go back to it.

I know, but he'll be delighted to know his home in Tulsa.

I want an outside that I consider him and his wife to be one of the most great couples.

I just love to have them.

Thank you.

I think he certainly should be on the committee.

I want to do agree to be on the committee for .

I guess he can't be chairman.

Now, a query.

What are you going to say to government?

I thought you'd all worked that out.

I'm just giving you a little piece of paper.

Well, I thought you said you wanted to keep him all in charge.

Well, I think that's right.

Of commissions.

And also, I think he's got to be our man on the license.

It'll be better for you.

Thank you.

People.

What house black injury?

Brown State.

He's good in that field too.

Scott wants to stay and he wants to be the house black.

I'm going to work with Garmin though.

And Garmin will be sensitive too.

I'll say, look, let's face it, I've got Italians over here.

I've got to handle that.

But you handle it.

Or we load them into the Colson office, which would be another thing.

See, they're a damn good press guy.

I like it.

See, Colson, you put it in the office.

You've got to put him in as an equal, not as a, not as a, not as a big man.

Different title of some sort.

You don't want to get, I don't mean counselor, I don't mean member of the cabinet.

I want him on the socialist, for Christ's sake, for the socialist, quit sending in people who are on the basis of where they rank.

I'm the man on the basis of who the hell I want around.

And I like government, you know.

I like to have them around, you know.

They've all been there for four years.

They've been through that bullshit.

And angry.

And the White House, they don't really care.

Our White House, in fact, isn't really care much whether they go to things or not.

Get confident a little bit.

Just put people on things on the basis of what good they do for the carnal good of the American people.

The external types are the ones that ought to be in those things so that they're built up so people know they're the guy to hold their hands.

That's why Bolson should be there all the time.

But he moves out.

Bolzano should be in White House functions.

Yeah.

Rogers.

Bill Rogers was all disturbed because they have an input that you're dealing with.

He's done December 15th and 17th.

I said that it's absolutely not true.

There's no plan at all for any meetings.

This is the last for a meeting.

I said I couldn't do it until after the inauguration.

I said there are a whole bunch of meetings.

There's one other meeting.

Henry is rumbling around about he thinks he's got to go to King again early in January.

He's not to go.

He must not go before the

We've got to leave him a little more, Bob, because I think there's a... Don't you agree?

I sure do.

I really think that there's a...

He's now making statements when he comes off the plane.

He's doing this and that.

That's just not good.

He's moving directly into the limelight.

This is all our fault.

We've created a Frankenstein monster.

We needed him and we used him and...

got to end up its own thing.

On the mail, you've got to check with Greg Parsons.

I should call him a physician.

Be sure that the answer to LBJ's wire, because there is one in the second, and I see it.

You know, people have, I use him as an example.

There must be a dozen others.

I take it.

They, as Rose knows,

I think there's quite a few young 15 or so, so they can get a feel on how they want to go.

But LBJ's got to get an answer from me.

You know what I mean?

Or Hugh Green, for sure.

Would you check that and see what the process is?

You will make a note of this conversation we're having now.

Sir, you just put it up.

Then I'll have to wait.

Let me tell you what I do.

You instructed me to do the way back.

I need a memorandum for my file that I can eventually refer to, because otherwise I have to dictate all this stuff myself.

All right, I'm going to have to go back.

I've got all my notes.

I can go back and read instructions.

We'll understand this.

And we're starting immediately.

We are to do in everything that we do.

The Democrats and the states that are Democratic governments, that we no longer have to worry about a jury in Illinois or Ohio or Pennsylvania.

We're to do in Walker, we're to do in Schaaf.

I don't give a shit about the small states.

But it always to our mayors in such states.

If we've got any mayors in such states.

Got it.

Including me.

You're goddamn right.

All the way.

Good.

All the way.

but play against Walker.

Walker is to get nothing but a coal deodorant.

It's against us.

Now another thing that I desperately want something on is this.

I've got to get from Henry's office into my library file all of my amaranth

Now he doesn't know that you know that we've got the recorder right now.

We've got a recorder, right?

None of those should be transcribed.

I want it transcribed.

We've got them all.

Is that correct?

You've got it in the Oval Office.

None of the other places.

I know that.

He doesn't know.

But anyway, I've got a hell of a lot in the other places that I've dictated.

I've dictated a number of memoranda for files starting about a year ago.

So I've covered a hell of a lot of things ever since the 1st of January.

I don't know your notes in there, too.

But also, I've never been able to reconstruct them.

But the most, but more important is memorandums and file are invaluable.

They'd be invaluable in every piece of paper.

And, uh, Rose has wanted to transcribe my little diary.

And I said, I'm putting it in the folder.

And so I get papers one day.

And they, uh,

I would never, never, never trust it to the course of my art if it were like a sapphire in my hand.

Are you going to work that yourself?

I have dots over here.

I give you an enormous amount of stuff like that.

I know.

Well, you know what?

I've got to get Henry's stuff.

I just cannot have.

I wrote that on end of first term stuff.

I've written good.

I've written memos.

I've written on notes and all that sort of thing.

And I want the original.

I don't want copies.

You understand?

Yeah.

He can make copies.

But the point is I've got to get that.

I've got to get his memoranda to me.

Every memoranda he's written to me and everything I've written to him has got to be put in that file now.

How are you going to get out of it?

Okay.

Because he's assured me that's exactly the case.

And I now say we're at the end of first term.

We've told the whole staff, so it's not singling him out.

All the first term papers have got to be moved over now.

And physically, I'll take possession of them and put them in the, you know, your box.

I want you very, very, very much to try to get across.

Could I respectfully suggest, and I've already mentioned this in your conference,

But in talking to Mitchell, tell Mitchell that the fire should start from some national committee who burbs out that death.

Has that occurred to you before?

Yeah.

That's exactly that.

You know, crack go.

Now, the other is also a fire should start from the House or the Senate to have new leadership in the Senate and House claims.

and blaming Dominic in the end.

Remember I told you that we ought to do that.

It's everything that's down there, it's Colson, it's a half-biz, you know, maybe we can put some of that there and get anybody to do it.

And that, all right, we can get it done for them.

Not through the Colson thing, maybe.

But I suggest one other thing.

Could we at least get in the, not just in the entry books, but now, you know, the

I gave this to Buchanan, and I guess he's probably worried about family assistance, and I'll re-flush that.

But for example, the odds that we confronted Boehmer since 1962, don't write it, now, God damn it, I told Buchanan this.

This is the memorandum that I wrote, you remember?

Particularly, for example, the fact that never has, to win this victory, see, as compared with Johnson.

When he ran in 64, had a majority of the governors, a majority of the House and Senate, had a majority party.

He knew exactly what you were talking about.

And I am running with 24%, the head of the party with 24%.

You know, get more, if it's 26, put in 26.

I don't want to fade the figures.

Right?

But just not to have others understood that we want to get this across.

This is the point to get across.

Above all I see that comes out of the election, and I'm not complaining about it, I think that generally speaking, at least the last slide they came across for a very ironic reason.

The sons of bitches in the press and the media had wishful thought their way into thinking that maybe it wasn't going to be that much.

Correct.

And when it came, it hit them right in the chops.

That's why even Ziegler has to admit that they're in a horrible mood in the press

That's why Ellis Longworth says they are just, you know, choking on their gibberish.

Yeah, I agree.

Yeah.

Now, this is my...

The thing that has not come across is how the hell, I mean, is anything... Or has it someplace out in the country that I haven't seen?

You read this.

I've read it on that newspaper.

But has anybody written the bull plays, the courage, the things that Connelly said were so important?

And frankly, maybe it's a bit of a hard one.

God damn it, I just think it's, you ought to, it's like a life thing like this.

I've never figured, I talked to someone, I said, Ron, I said, I think this is a great guy.

But Pat and I, I said, give him a half hour for her cover.

And they ran a lousy picture.

I said, I think he's a lovely guy.

I said, I'll do it.

But I said, life will screw us.

And it did.

But what do you think?

What do you really think of it?

That has to be, that has to be, I don't mean they got to run all good pictures.

Times was great.

Newsweeks was great.

And that's fine.

And most of the, most of the things around the country were great.

But here, the only bad, here, but it is a bad thing.

Yeah, well that's, that is intentionally shot.

There's no question.

They have to have taken a picture that they know wasn't going to be, but I don't know where they got it.

Now, did you follow up or did you get ahold of anybody last night to sort of needle them a bit, you know, with the letter, letter, you know, or who do we have, what time, what kind of capability we have in the checks?

We have a whole herd of people that did that.

Colson's group.

And so they'll write some letters and so forth and so on.

I really think it's going to be a good idea.

It won't do any good.

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure it won't do any good.

One letter that ought to be read.

Well, I have another thing.

One thing that ought to be done, at least, is to write this, which probably has occurred to you.

It might have occurred to Chuck.

It probably would have occurred to him.

It doesn't get that much to point out that my wife got ready to endorse that free force of her editorial sense.

It is obvious that life's editorial editors, photo editors, was among those who was not.

This is a vicious, unfair, deliberate, so forth and so on.

I really feel that my thought about life and time is the best.

I don't give a shit.

My thought is life, time, and if I may say so, I know you and you should get one out of three good.

So are you going to get three out of four out of four bad if you cut him off?

Maybe, maybe not.

But could, would it not be wise, frankly, for a while, just based on this, just to cut live, period, and time.

I really, I just feel it.

Understand, I'm a total whore in this respect.

I will do NBC, my spies, mainly because I think cancer's a little better than me, than Troncite at the moment.

That's what it's always been, and we never,

do it, partly because you let the barriers down.

So he should be turned off totally.

I don't let the barriers down.

Well, as you told her, Kessinger didn't talk to him.

I didn't tell him.

Kessinger talked to him before I got to Kessinger.

I know he talked to him.

I didn't tell Kessinger.

Kessinger didn't ask me whether he could talk to him.

The answer...

I still think the answer is the way he got up to him, the way he got up to him is it's like he's titled up to him.

And he got it.

And the point is, you can't stop, just like you can't stop NBC from going on the air tonight, you can't stop Time from publishing.

That's correct.

What you can do is screw some people and help others.

And I think it's a selective playing game that you've got to do.

You've got to let Time squeal for a while and give it its weeks and stuff.

And then shout at them, because then you'll never win if you get them over.

That's right.

It's not like, for example, I can give an interview one day, it could be departing.

That's right.

who's basically our pro-next-to-man.

He says the only pro-next-to-man on the newsroom.

But then, when they screw us, I don't think we'll just go back to timeline.

Jerry Schechter gets more time in Henry's office than Arnold Batman.

Well, it's because Jerry Schechter is a hell of a lot smarter.

He understands what Henry's talking about.

He's smarter than you.

That helps, too.

Let's face it.

That's right.

It's a matter of real control.

We just gotta, well, what does Ziegler think about it?

I mean, Ziegler, he agrees.

But the answer to this, and Ron Young, because Ron tries to set it up and it gets covered, you know, it becomes impossible, partly with Henry, but it's just Buchanan, Buchanan, and Sapphire, people like that.

Well, those are tidbits that I mean, how do you make it look like you said, how did Sapphire do it?

I hate you to get, I just like Colson's operations to get me a thousand letters.

Why don't they try?

Let's just try.

Let's really make an effort.

Give me a report.

The president would be interested in a report on how many they got in.

I don't want to do it, but just get these people stirred up.

I'll leave a letter.

Don Kendall, is he advertising life?

All right.

Every advertiser in life who's a friend on the Kindle thing and have a Kindle call and say, I thought that was horrible.

You know what I mean?

And I think it was a... You must have some friends at advertising.

God damn it.

Oh, sure we did.

They don't have much advertising.

Cigarettes.

A key.

Yeah, they were doing a song.

A key.

You're checking American Motors, are you?

Let's see what the hell happened there.

That was, in the first place, it wasn't Rob.

It was a different guy.

I thought that was a program they were doing.

It was perfectly legitimate.

It's a different program.

Now, will you guys commit to taking on some of the assigned posts, like you do in the United Fund Drive or anything else?

That's right.

Well, he's one son of a bitch that never gets in, correct?

Right.

Have you thought about Andy Nixon?

Yeah, I...

I just think that the one thing I do feel is this, that Julie's my best one, and she's the other, sir.

basically don't have the heart that she has.

They have the heart, but they won't show it.

Julie says there's a desperate need in Ohio.

She said, you have wonderful people, but, she said, they, except, well, and frankly, she mentioned Linda Garman.

She said, they don't really, they're great technicians.

She's right.

We're tremendous technicians.

And frankly, the president has got to have a good little heart.

He's got to have done that.

They look at the number of people.

Would you find out if that little girl is up yet?

And where that memorandum is?

Oh, sir, I believe in my shadow point to... Give it to me.

Yes, sir.

All right, you find out where the hell it is.

Yes, sir.

Double space.

Yes, sir.

I tell him I wrote this space and assume it's supposed to be... What's she up to?

I just said she was up.

She was already trapped in this place.

Well, it's quite obvious to me.

I thought about this, and I'm glad this girl's on the side, and she's nice.

Nell Yates is too slow.

She's wonderful, but, well, she's also got a husband, which is a problem.

It's no problem at all.

Your girl, your girl, I like the best.

I mean, because she's got a marvelous personality.

She's not quite as smart.

Beverly, I think,

being single, if she's loyal.

I don't know her loyalty problem.

That's the only thing.

She's been in the State Department all her life.

Has anybody ever checked the goddamn loyalty on this girl?

Oh, yeah.

We've checked, run tests.

We need somebody that's not just loyal, but is pro-Mexican and can take the kind of memoranda that I dictate over these next four years.

I mean, I need somebody to build here.

I can't use roads on this stuff, Bob, because

She'll try to get her own judgment involved.

And she just got a big sour.

So, Marge would be fine.

If Rose isn't there, I could use her.

And everything.

Marge, no way.

There's no way.

Totally done.

There's no way to do that.

Should I try to get somebody else?

Isn't there the most brilliant?

I'd like the most brilliant, loyal, next to the secretary.

Preferably young.

Preferably, preferably, preferably single.

No, not too young.

Preferably experienced, but young.

Preferably single.

Preferably, above everything else, very, very vast and loyal.

You see, there's got to be, I've got to have somebody there that we can do for your staff.

He's really the closest you've got to that.

She's not young enough.

She's young enough.

She's as fast or faster than everyone.

She really is fast.

She's smarter than me.

But isn't she?

Isn't the age thing catching up with her?

How old is she?

I'll find out.

She doesn't change.

She isn't up to the... Perhaps 45.

She's marvelous on the rounded rock stuff.

But she will...

But I mean, it's not what you're saying.

It's a little marvelous.

It really is.

She does better because she doesn't drink.

She doesn't dip as much.

And she doesn't fold.

You know, there's no emotional stuff there.

I mean, there's total dedication.

She absolutely worships Jacob.

That's her time.

And when she leaves, you've got gates cut loose, and we ought to use her in the right place in the right way.

Then maybe we've had this little girl in the outside office for a long time.

I don't know.

I like this little girl.

She's nice.

Very good.

Very smart.

This girl is totally dedicated to Bull.

She loves working for Steve and Bull.

She seems marvelous.

She's worked with him ever since we got here.

Good.

He used to move Bull out of that office.

He's gone bold in that job.

That was such a great job.

He's done a great job that we can do better and we should do different.

Good.

Some candidates for him.

And just to get somebody that doesn't have to be a goddamn irritant.

He won't to me.

He won't.

And he's got to have the same kind of nice personality that Bull's got.

Understand?

One who's soft, Bull kind of soft.

Well, anyway.

Bull's got to be smarter than the rest.

Bull's still here.

That brought us to use Bull as a jail job.

No, the Ron Walker job.

Yes, sir.

That's what he was.

And he runs all the, as Duluth had mentioned, the guy that runs the trips.

Steve knows how to do it.

We've got a lot of replays for him, and we're going to have a tough time on that.

The protocol thing is no problem.

Jim Reynolds would be delighted to take the South American ambassador ship.

And Jim really is.

I know him so well that I haven't seen him.

And he just isn't, frankly, comes on a little too strong.

He'd be good.

He's our kind of guy.

But the South American treats him, so that's good.

I said, you know, we want to go to Johnson.

Could I, could I respectfully suggest on this one?

That's the man I'm showing.

We moved ahead.

He's been checked, worked out, so.

And we can get out of it if you want to.

He didn't have a shrubber.

Who was it?

No, Schultz.

Schultz didn't.

I said, you know, let me back down, son.

He said, well, he just

You know, if I were picking the best man on the business council, he wouldn't be it.

I said, well, Jordan, you weren't picking anybody on the business council.

It's not a fortunate accident that you haven't seen me try to go back.

What we're picking was the best southerner.

Now, I said, if you were picking the best southerner, would you be it?

He said, well, I might be.

You know, as a business council establishment, there's better men on the business council.

But, you know, it's true.

But, I was on the front row as fast as we did for the business council.

Yeah, we're going to enter if you disagree.

We've started on that, Scott.

We've got to work.

Thank you.

This girl is awfully good.

She is.

At the present time, she's better than Rose.

Rose is slick, you see, because Rose used to be better than Rose now.

How do you know?

Because I've caught some of the things that she's doing on our side.

No, but I mean, I mean, the way Rose didn't used to ever make mistakes.

I was just going to say, the way Rose was 10 years ago, there are no secretaries like that.

There have to be, but we sure as hell don't have them around.

She was, you had a very rare...

And she does the work well as well.

The answer to you is no.

Yates and this girl are the two.

That's your need too.

You do because the travel thing and all that is more than one person can handle even.

Nell Yates' husband is no problem.

It doesn't bother her a bit to be gone.

She likes it.

She likes to get out in the California area, go on the world trips and all that.

Getting away is a big thing.

What I like to add is I can keep them looking like they're my staff so that you don't get into the personal problem of roads.

I think what we've got to do is... That's the reason.

He hates us, or what?

Yeah.

Inside, he's obsessed with tearing us down.

Sure, he wants a glimmer of a good calm down.

But he'll do that no matter what we do.

He has to for his credibility.

He's a bad guy.

Nobody will believe him.

Why do you think he's bad?

Actually, he's worse than I was born.

Why do you think he's bad?

I don't know.

I mean, your conversations with him.

Oh, yeah.

Both.

What do you think of his conversations?

That's basically, it's a pathological internal vomiting at the thought of you being President of the United States.

What you've got to do is build another President Watcher.

It probably has to be poor, dumb, but effective Nick Tanisha.

And, uh, or outside the White House.

Outside.

And feed him all the goodies about how the things were really done and the long lonely nights and all that stuff.

I'd like him right the dramatics.

Good.

All right.

It's a group site.

It's a side site.

He doesn't have any.

Who is he?

He's got some money that we'll take.

Hey, right where he is, he's got a good syndicate now.

All right.

I'll check that at the end of the week to be sure.

All right.

Tell me who's in.

I'll use him.

And I think he's going to help.

And I'll help write it, but I'll help write it.

We've got to do that.

But let him become the most astute inside viewer of the presidency.

One of the things about that is that I may respectfully suggest that even a ziggler doesn't appreciate it.

I mean, he may not be long on brains, but he's long on heart.

That's right.

And that's what we're after.

And it's my society.

That's right.

society isn't really the smartest all over the world, but he's got a hell of a heart, that means he's an emotionist.

But his heart happens to belong to someone else.

Or Dennis' heart basically belongs to us.

You know, curiously enough, a man that we could have won, had he not been working for the paper he did, was simple.

He's got heart and brains.

Yeah, it would be the best.

More brains than heart, Doug.

Yeah.

Oh, don't lie.

And also, he's hard.

That's right.

And he says simple things.

I'm trying to do this to get a regular column in Newsweek or something like that, you know, so they get an inside window on the presidency that's authentic instead of the bullshit from society.

Then let's try to sink the other... Do you want to try it with Newsweek?

Yeah, Newsweek is somewhat separated from the bullshit, you know.

And it's editorial.

It's, uh... And it's an LA.

You know, old Lewis says it's a better magazine.

Well, it's too awesome.

It's going to die.

Yeah.

So maybe Timmy can replace you on something that's not the distinction.

If he has the inside leaf, maybe it works.

We'll get him to be like the thing to do.

And then just screw society beyond belief.

But everybody's got a screwing.

And everybody's got a villain in them.

I think in Henry's case, is there a way that we can have the White House operator, or does he have a private bone in his goddamn office?

He goes to the board.

How about having him cut off?

I have to let him go right after whatever is coming up.

When I say let it go, we have to have, actually, it's got to be worked out.

He'll want to go then, you know, on the top and so forth and so on.

And he can't burble around.

And I'm also thinking that maybe Conley would be ready.

And if he's ready, it might not be bad or anything.

It would be a totally different foreign policy.

They're not totally different.

They'll be tougher, stronger, less subtle.

I'll have hellish problems.

But at least I'll have a man in the goddamn job.

Plus, you'll start building for something else.

That's right.

Okay, I'm not so sure your other idea is better than the assistant president idea.

But it's great.

Because then he gets...

He can really roll.

We just... Or he can sometimes...

He's got to do that.

I've got to remind me to ask him again in 30 days if he doesn't.

But what do you mean?

He'll wait until after the December 9th meeting.

That's the time to do it.

He shouldn't do it now.

He'll let the party do something.

Now this isn't...

I'm going to read this and I'll be back.

That sets it forth better than I've done it.

I did it at 3 o'clock this morning.

This is one of those.

I don't want her distributing it around the people.

Thank you.

Who understands exactly what you're saying here and feels that strongly and might be able to help us?

Mr. Barclay?

No, Bill Rogers.

I don't think he can help us publicly.

I mean, maybe he can help us in teaching us how to do it ourselves.

I don't want to read Caesar's Memorandum.

No.

I don't want to talk to him about it.

Take it from Caesar's Memorandum.

Yes, sir.

I don't want to give him that satisfaction.

That's just something he doesn't understand.

Why do you think he understands it?

He said the same things.

He's always concerned about it.

No, he said, no.

No, no, not you.

He was talking about the general thing, the perception of it.

He said, you can't.

He said, maybe the man has to go down in history just as me.

one of the best or maybe the best president we've had in terms of the manager, the operator of the office of president.

Efficiency.

Courage.

The courage thing.

I think you're a little wrong.

I think the boldness courage thing is you will find this much higher than you think it is.

What isn't there is from Henry.

The lonely, tough decision thing never gets through from Henry.

He made a mind of, well, he's watering it down some, I must say, now.

So it's going to be hard to keep capitalizing on those, but you've got to do it.

It's the hard thing.

It's coming through, son.

And you are, I would bet that by any measure that you take, you are better liked than you used to be.

You're regarded much better now than two years ago.

I'm trying to say this, though.

We were pretty well regarded two years ago.

Our own people don't understand it.

When we've gone to the country, just the president, that's where we're well regarded.

We do things well.

These guys, your surrogate friends, have done a good job of talking about making the next of the man story.

And the women did a hell of a good job of that.

The women did a superb job of it.

The women surrogate friends had that kind of job.

But the fact remains that, you know, if you read the whole memorandum, no.

Absolutely right what you're doing.

Absolutely right.

Well, I agree with what that is.

I know early on we were, yeah, dashing in.

Why don't you go over to the supermarket today and check the brass on hamburgers?

It's out there, okay?

It would be great to walk out quite out of slime, long, standing your head in the great nature.

They don't feel it.

They don't feel the signal.

You gotta feel it.

That is a very perceptive analysis on that memorandum.

That's right.

And I've written one to you before, and nothing really happened.

You never told me you'd go on the Barbara Walters show.

No, I did.

No, a lot happened.

And you must have been in some ways in the... Over the long haul.

The short haul things were not pretty good, but the long haul, a lot did.

That's what I thought.

In the perception of the man, in the getting people to talk that way, which they do, that's a long, slow process.

We took a lot of jumps in the TV coverage of China, which had an enormous effect.

It'll go on forever.

And that set of things, and I don't think there's any question that that changed that perception of the man forever in a lot of millions of people's minds.

And it'll never go back to the press.

We'll keep eroding it.

Let's fight it out.

It's got to be television.

And you, I mean, it can't only be done by people talking about it.

You mean going on with Dan Rather?

Oh, hell no.

I don't mean that at all.

I mean television coverage of what you're doing anyway.

In a way that people see it.

I don't know how we do that, but we can do better than that.

I don't think those are going on man-to-man.

I don't have that.

I don't think at all.

It's a high-risk department, and you don't get a big audience.

I don't know.

I wouldn't do any single network television for the rest of the term.

Ever.

You agree with that?

Yes, I do.

You might do the three sometimes.

I would do the three frequently.

Or a press conference or a three-way interview or whatever.

We've got to look at that.

I don't think that the Eastern press conference is a good deal.

I think that...

I think the three on one is a good deal.

I think the office press conference has much to offer.

You know, for purposes of having the press, I think.

The East Roman, I think, is an enormous amount of tension at work and so forth.

It's high risk, and I don't think it proves that much.

Huh?

I think it does.

Don't you agree, though, with my analysis of Kissinger and Ehrlichman?

Yeah.

and all the rest of all their various strengths and weaknesses.

I'm not saying it's great, but it's not their job.

Except the one that's really failed us in this respect is Henry.

Yes, because Henry knows better.

And he thinks better.

When you talk to a private, he can do a superb job of telling the staff about this stuff.

You know what the hell they're saying.

They're pretty sick with this stuff.

I'm going to go over and see the press pool here briefly about that.

Get to that way.

Pat was saying to me last night that there was a real dirty story written by Helen Thomas in regard to how much this

She wrote a piece that said this event put up here and then the press didn't really want it.

It was getting them further away from that duck blunt where they watched it next.

So they couldn't .

Take it away.

Get the goddamn thing off here.

That's what's in trouble.

Why can't we handle a miserable little thing like that where you're doing something for their needs?

You have people who are going to write the negative if you went out and had a Christmas party for all of them and gave all their children a million dollars, right?

You put a straight arm on something.

I was wondering what you thought of your judgment on that.

I know I didn't like the picture.

I'm glad I stood out there with that son of a bitch who was supposed to be in my medicine.

I like him.

It's perfect.

But you know, they did the same thing on the thing they did with Mrs. Nixon.

We sat there, and they had 100 good pictures, and they put on a half-assed one.

Not as bad.

This is a delivery job.

They must have searched through the files for days to find something like this.

What do you think?

It's just a delivery job, obviously.

Did you say something to somebody?

Yes, I did.

Go to the head of the Bureau.

Who is he, Marshal?

What did you say to him?

You ought to say it.

The president on a busy day took a half hour with your goddamn photographer for what we were told was a cover picture.

Remember, he said it was a cover picture.

Now, don't come to us again.

We'll call you.

Why didn't you tell us that?

That's what I would have done.

Or what did you tell us?

Well, I know you.

In this case, I think you've got to, you have got to be like Hagerty.

You've got to be very, not usually, because he's an asshole, but sometimes you've got to say, all right,

That was a god damn bad job.

And particularly when they misled us, they had other pictures in every position they were in.

They had.

Because hundreds.

I tell the little photographer to... Or what did you tell the hero?

Well, I made a point to him that they had to spend time with us.

That the fat gal would sit out there with us around saying that they needed a cover picture.

We did it, and it didn't run on the cover.

And I said, you know, this is where you're going to operate.

You're the only magazine now in circulation other than at the time of this meeting.

I said, we'd like to work with you, but we can't run this business.

Right.

So they're off, period.

For Christ's sake, that's exciting.

I don't want any calls returned to him ever again.

Is that clear?

Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever again.

Not one.

He's in the same checklist with Osborne.

The same thing with him.

Osbert and Seiden are to have no cause to turn to death at all.

There's a hell of a long list of people that aren't quite as bad.

So God damn it, McGonagall, do it my way, will you, sir?

As a detector of the same, cut the whole timeline through.

Time is done.

And for the moment, that asshole hovered for the moment.

As far as time is concerned.

Detector, though, cut.

Total cut.

You're going to order Henry when he comes back.

The president's given an order toward the country.

He's not going to talk to Schefter.

He's not going to talk to society, anybody in life.

And he's not going to say anything about it.

And he's not going to talk to anybody from Newsweek.

The president says, I think, Henry, you better talk to him.

I said, Henry, from now on, and I put it on the basis of this interview, I'm going to tell you, that he must clear every telephone call and every interview

that he has with you, put him in care level five.

He won't build with Ron.

Don't you agree?

Clear it with you.

Well, yeah, I'm going to talk to him about it.

All right.

We've got to set it up so he clears it.

He's just out of his mind.

He's making some goddamn bullshit now having press conferences and all that sort of thing.

What do you want to know about today?

What I'd like to do today is I see the guys.

It's number one, not a star story, because it is wrong.

I'll be asked about it, and I'm going to say don't get involved in speculation.

So it's one of the lines.

The president is making the decisions.

He's in the process.

And on the Harry stories, I said you're just not going to write them, because I don't have a comment on that kind of story.

I'll say on that kind of story.

OK. OK.

That he's in the process, that you're in the process of consultation.

You could just say the star story is very far off the mark.

Why don't you just say that?

I will only say that the star story is very far off the mark.

That you're in the process of consultation with cabinet members, getting your ideas about restructuring your courage.

Many of them are coming up with good ways to be more efficient in government.

This is part of the process, the continuing process.

Then get out the line.

You couldn't expect an announcement to come all at once because this is a process.

So we get that line moving.

Well, I think you should know that when changes and top appointments are made, they will not be made all at once.

They will be made when they are ready over a period of time.

Second point, as far as

and the organizational changes that are concerned.

And they also, since they involve a variety of, they admire them all, the whole relevant government, they will be made as, when they are ready to exist, they will make them all part of the organization.

Go ahead.

Well, that's basically the line we wanted to...

to move today, the point that it won't all come at once.

They shouldn't expect it all at once.

You're encouraged by the ideas that you're getting.

Yeah, I guess say that the cabinet has welcomed this opportunity to, because I had prepared, I told them several months ago in a meeting, I wanted to have new ideas, a new thrust, some new approaches as we began a new term, rather than simply

riding on the momentum of the Great Landslide.

That is, after a landslide, the tendency is to go downhill.

That's the nature of it.

We quote the President directly on that.

The tendency is to go downhill, and that's good.

That's the nature of it.

And this landslide, we want to reverse the situation.

It says throughout American history, usually after landslides, an administration goes downhill

It is, it is caught in the landslide.

This, what we are doing, we're reversing that situation because we're starting now to move to new heights.

Excellent suggestions with regard to reorganization of their departments.

They, what they think this is the time to do it.

They agree that

They all agree with the president that the government's too big.

I mean, that there'd be a very significant reduction of personnel in their departments.

And they think this is the time to do it.

They think this provides an opportunity, because it's forced everybody in bureaucracy to rethink, rather than just go along with it.

that now that the, and one of the most heartening things about these meetings is that the members of the cabinet are speaking not as prisoners of the bureaucracy, use that term, of their bureaucracies, but they're stepping aside and looking at their departments and thinking anew.

Well, that's the other point.

But also, maybe we can move on today, but there will be some announcements coming up soon.

No.

Don't anticipate.

As soon as we start telling what's going to happen, then we hang ourselves by our own balls.

What I would say, Ron, is that you asked the President about announcements, and he has not yet determined.

He said he's not going to make announcements, so he's had an opportunity to talk to all the members of the Cabinet.

There will be no announcements made, and you can say that, that's a very good out, until the president completes his, okay, that means, when he's here, he wants to have a job, and I want to make that.

If you don't want to do anything this week, why?

Well, we can go through the defense thing this week, if you want to.

You had thought before you might want to go through the, we could go through that before.

I wonder if we really needed this Thanksgiving weekend.

I don't think we did.

I'd rather wait.

Yeah.

You had indicated you were going to fire.

We'll just say that there will be no, there will be no announcements made until the president has had a chance to talk to all the members of the cabinet.

Because, gentlemen, I will tell you this, there are going to be, I mean, as far as the members of the cabinet are concerned, some of the

like Secretary Laird, have indicated a desire to leave government.

And others have indicated a desire to move to other posts in government.

I can talk to each one of them because he thinks that he considers every member of this cabinet to be a valuable member of his team.

And if they do not want to return to private life, as some do, he believes that

that they're remaining in public service in some capacity is very much in the interest of the country.

That would get my bit in there.

How's that?

Rehabilitation centers have a man in the cabinet, a valuable member of his team.

Well, as an outstanding member of his team.

Every member of the cabinet has an outstanding public servant.

And any of those who do not find it necessary to return to private life or do not want to return to private life, the president has developed some imaginative ways of discussing with them where their services can be utilized.

I think it's awfully good.

It's a good posture to be in, not to do anything until you've talked to everyone.

I've got to talk to them.

Because you've said, no, the president complains, not what will I complain as of Monday.

And he will not complain this process because he's going to turn it down.

He's going to find his way.

that he's not seeing him until Monday.

Several of the cabinet members are over, and he will not have completed his meetings with the cabinet until Monday.

So don't expect an announcement Tuesday, because the president will want to take some time to consider all of the recommendations that all the members of the cabinet have made before making his own final decisions.

That's good.

The same is true of the White House cabinet.

Well into the week here, I'm not making any statements in terms of your Thanksgiving plans except that you went on.

Mr. President, the point I want to make is to put his Thanksgiving plan out for your son.

Well, I'm curious.

Well, the Thanksgiving party is.

Yes, I'd like to spend Thanksgiving at Camp David.

The family decided yesterday that they'd like to spend Thanksgiving at Camp David.

But now that things have been made, we're going to have to tell the advisors to push his attitudes a little differently.

I'm sure he can call the hell out of it.

And he can do what he wants.

He probably only wants to be kept.

Mr. Bush is calling against the appointment of the Lord Washington.

I'll get the message to him.

Yes, sir.

I did to John.

I told him this morning.

So I don't know how that came in.

Well, come.

Okay.

I think I'll offer him the National Committee, too, though.

I would.

I won't take it, but I'll offer it.

I would.

Take the same bid you made him now.

He might take it.

That would be a good move, yes.

That would be a good signal, too.

Good.

We have some general recommendations that we've put together.

There's one over there, and there's one over at the bottom.

Okay.

I'll do it.

You join us tonight for the dinner.

I'll take care of that today.

What would you do?

If you're not going to do any good, don't do it.

Just think, my God, how would you do it?

Just say that, you can say, you're on a spot.

The president had a terribly busy day.

And they said, we want this covered for time.

The president took a half, took all of a half off.

He went through the pictures and so forth and so on.

...pictures and so forth and so on.

I said, President, it's not a bit, I mean, he said, you're not a bit sensitive about bad pictures we have coming up.

But that after doing that, you used them to cover it deliberately.

And we've been flooded with calls and letters from our house.

Outrage, right?

Outrage.

We want to know what the hell, how are we doing business here?

And again, Nick, now I want you to play a little game here, if you will.

And you can say, I hesitate to say this, but it's probably a low-level person in life, in your organization.

But as you may recall, and many of our calls reflect this point, too, 75% of your editorial staff in the time you were in my endorsement indicated that they opposed the president.

And we understand that this was a deliberate job

planned at the highest levels of the editorial staff in the photographic department.

I want you to use those terms exactly, and I want you to use them at a very high level, and I want you to read tons of some of them, because we're going to cut the bastards off.

He can be cold.

Sure he can.

Okay.

Like you say, talk to Rogers about that.

I mean, he can give you an idea.

What did Bill say?

He was making the point that we should move.

Maybe turn him off.

I'm not mistreating him.

No, he wasn't.

He was putting it on the other side.

He said we have a chance.

There is a chance in the second term, hopefully, to have

Richard Nixon perceived, as he leaves office, in broader terms than simply a good technician as president, who has a lucky definition.

That's right.

But rather, as not only, and he says, there's no question he'll go down as skillful, courageous, and bold.

Not bold.

I was mixing courageous and bold.

But the question is,

how much will he also go down as, uh, heart, heart, as a guy that people, that people wanted to talk, that was, was, you know, that people responded to, and he says, we know what he does, and then he went back to the, to the old, uh, the night he talked to the Jews in Hollywood, and, uh, and they all leaped on their chair, oh, they all hated, you know, they were, what was it, 52, or, or, uh, sometimes he, he recalled some meeting where he,

to a group of Jewish leaders who were all against you.

And in Hollywood, at the end, they were all up on the chair.

Well, what I'm hearing, could I respectfully suggest that you might have told Bill and I to think that there have been at least 100 men?

I did.

I said, Bill, have you ever...

I said, you've been the main.

You've got tears in their eyes.

That's right.

And not a goddamn thing, because our goddamn staff get out on that sort of thing.

Well, the reason is that you've got...

The only guy to do it there is Moore.

No, there are others.

But they...

Who has a heart other than Moore?

I mean, when I say has a heart, I mean has a heart and gets embarrassed about showing it.

Everybody's got a heart, I know that.

Some of the younger guys, too, and they've tried to, they can't do it.

They haven't got the strength.

We can and can't.

But he has a move, anyway.

He doesn't move.

I can see it that way.

But that's what I meant by talking to Bill.

He sees the opportunity and the facts.

Another, yeah, and so, and the fact that it makes the point that we ought to try to move towards it.

Fucking spam.

You've got the recommendations on that, you know.

You realize it has to go wrong.

Yeah, that's the ones that worked out those terrible receptions I received on both occasions I was there.

Charlie, he knows it's true.

No, yes, the whole group.

They're all over it.

I have a gentleman that sees me coming down the road.

He is a very strong man.

He's a wonderful, nice man.

He's got a lot of heart.

We need more heart.

I agree, I'll do this thing with Sapphire.

He won't get that across.

He'll get some of it.

He'll get a bit, but it's a gimmick in many ways.

No, I think he can get me to go with it.

I suppose this is bold.

Andrews might be a guy to write a book or write something.

He sits in on things, John, and I've seen him there dozens of times, and I've never seen anything get out.

Well, he moves it out sometimes.

Yeah, he just can't do it.

I mean, it's not his book.

I understand that he didn't hide it.

Yes, he's got to feel it, John.

He's got to feel it.

He's got to feel your book.

Andrews does.

Gavin did.

He narrates it, interestingly enough, does.

Yep.

He is the type, being on the one hand type, who sees it and gets all the curfew about it and runs out and does something.

Does it with great believability.

They're quite packing.

He's a wonderful guy, but he can't.

He's got great ideas, doesn't he?

Helpful.

on your PR thing though since you're not really sitting down and having a real PR meeting I know what you've been talking about I'll bet you I'll lay your money on it are all the technical things how are these announcements going to be made and so forth and so on they aren't getting out of this are they Bob no the problem here is very realistically we can only get so much done I think we're making a mistake trying to do too much I think we're getting chopped up and we're not doing any of it very well and to me my question is

We're rushing these appointments through.

We're not getting them set up right.

We're going through this thing and trying to get it all.

We're trying to get them set up.

Bob, we've got to do it.

I understand that.

We just don't think it'll work.

We can't.

You've only got a couple of us doing it.

We aren't really covering the contract the way we should.

I think you ought to have Colson stay with you.

where Colson's useless up here.

Colson's value is in getting some of this done.

Now that we've got him settled and he gets over his own internal agonizing, tonight, I think we ought to get him launched.

And we ought to get him going on input and on getting some of these things done.

He's an officer.

If it's granted to be cleared for Secretary of Labor, we've got to get it cleared.

Yeah.

If we can't, we don't know.

And I've got to get something from him.

We've got to get from Alex on some recommendations or somebody or who else we can consider for that damn transportation job or in the Congress.

Well, he's fine with me.

I don't give a shit in the Secretary of Congress.

How about the moment of the beginning of transportation?

No.

Probably not.

Could vote Callaway.

Yeah.

Well, I think transportation, we ought to go for our ethnic.

Go for another ethnic.

No, we're going to put Scali in the U.N. We don't have to.

Scali gives us a...

I think you should let me do it.

I don't... Well, I don't even...

I'm not even acting like I ever saw it.

No, I think you should.

I think you should.

I'm going to be sold as hell.

You should make a passing reference to something, and it'll come up in something.

Watch for the opportunity, and you should make it damn clear to him, without ever saying that you saw it, and that it wasn't very damaging.

The others, I don't mind.

I just don't.

Cheshire stuff doesn't matter.

This was damaging.

You ought to indirectly let it be filtered into his consciousness, because he worries about stuff like that.

He ought to be worried about it.

It's the golden opportunity.

That's the one plus about that article.

It's finally the chance that Henry cannot repeat.

The same as what happens to you when you bounce around doing this.

You're getting off half-cocked here and it's this harmful, harmful and present and certainly not helpful to you.

Because it's not.

That article made Henry go grumpin' ass too.

You think it did?

I think it did, yes.

I thought it did.

Because I think

He is the second cup.

Part of what his strength has been is that he's believed to be a little more low-key type guy.

I wouldn't, frankly, I wouldn't mind if you let Rogers read it.

No, no, no, no.

What I would like to do is rewrite it as my thoughts.

And I'd like to let several people read it as my thoughts.

I've done that with your memoranda sometimes.

I've taken on it to stand a little rewriting, but I just recast it so that it isn't...

I don't think you want anybody having to think that I'm taking security on it.

So I think it's better...

If I'm taking it out, I'll figure out that...

Very good.

Think a little about that.

Yeah, I want it.

It does have heart and a nice feel.

I think as a brain, Roger Johnson, I think he could be very, very good.

And you know, the real question is the personal mother.

Okay, we'll move back here in a while.

Would you like to start the checking?

Yeah.

Now, if he does that, you're going to have to, if you would anyway, give him a little family touch.

I'd love to.

I'd love that.

It'd be good to have him around.

Then I asked somebody that I could take.

He's like, when I want to go up to the camp, if it's about myself, I'd take him along.

He doesn't get in my hair, right?

He's like me, you know.

He said he'd be much better than Roger Johnson.

Roger said, no.

Wonderful fellow, but life has to be fine now.

But Eddie, you see, can come up when he makes a useful input.

He's fun.

Pat likes him.

I see.

Very much.

Like gay.

My brother Don was sick when I talked to him.

When I was in Florida.

I have a quiet checkmate.

Eddie can handle the Don problem.

He can handle all the relatives.

He can handle some of Don's chemistry shots.

He can make Donald calls.

He can be on that phone all day long.

He can still think about it.

All right.

too much.

Sure, it does in a sense, but it is nearly as bad as making your brother Attorney General of the United States.

He's a guy you like to have around.

He's helpful.

He's able to talk to people.

He's on your wavelength.

He proved himself in the campaign as a surrogate for the President in a sense.

And a president needs a servant.

You can't see everybody that wants to see you and needs to talk to you about things.

Well, you've got somebody to work right now on the foundation thing.

Yeah.

If it were only possible, she ought to be the one in charge of it.

Is Connie staying?

I guess so.

I don't know.

I'm kind of afraid to get into that as soon as I am.

That's something maybe Julie can help us on again.

It's got to kind of come from you and Julie.

If it comes from me, I guarantee it will be screwed up.

I don't have a way into

Julie does.

She'd be great as her mother and chief of staff.

She's an organized person.

She's bright as hell.

She'd be marvelous.

She'd have her mother.

She'd be absolutely marvelous.

Yes, that was hard.

She has an unusual combination of heart and brain.

She's afraid to show you her.

I have a problem that I don't want to bother you with, but I would like you to be aware of what I think I'm going to do unless you have an objection.

I've got a, as everybody does, a rough family problem.

And I'm getting it worked out all right, but I need to do something with my wife.

What I would like to do, and what she would like to do, and what would work out extremely well, is put her at a very low-level rate, but in a paid position, at the foundation also, and have her start working on archival stuff.

It's the stuff she's just superb at.

Excellent.

And she'll then feel she's a part of it.

Well, excellent.

Well, the point is, the main thing is, she'll then look.

We then have somebody in a trusted position who's going to handle the papers.

Just put it on.

I'm not saying anything about it.

Just do it.

Go to Nelson.

I don't intend to announce it.

No, it's excellent.

I didn't want to do it without your knowledge.

You need to work with Julie.

That's right.

Julie, just get on.

You see that, about that lawyer's getting sold.

She can't do it.

Your wife would be drinking.

It really is, and it gives us a whole great time.

It also will get the foundation, archive-type people realizing that somebody cares about what they're doing.

It would be a hell of a signal for that.

Would you give me a report on...

Who has used the Kennedy Center and how are we going to use it in the future?

Yeah.

Are we really expanding that?

I've asked Colson.

He says he's using it a few times for people who don't use it at all.

And I just want to be sure.

I don't want that to be in-house too much, but I want it to be out-house.

You know, I think it's just... We've tried that and it's not working.

Oh, yeah, it does work.

We've done it very successfully.

Our people have posted it.

That's right.

Well, they don't always.

And we don't always have our people posted, do we?

In order to get it to you, we've had our people hosting.

So you've got a hell of a lot of seats.

16, 28 seats.

A night.

Is it 11?

Got it here.

They're waiting for you.

Yeah.

I want the military shaped up right after the

I think this neighborhood guy should go.

I don't think he's quite good.

I like him very much.

He's sweet and soft and everything, but he just doesn't have it.

Yeah, are you with George now?

Do you want to bring him?

Where are you?

Oh, why don't you bring him over here?

Wait a minute, I'll come down there.

Just a second.

You got Elliot over there.

I think they're better to stay here.

Let's bring them back.

Bring it.

No.

Bring it here.

This is better.

I'm going to ask them.

That's right.

You've got to push up on people back and forth.

It's better if you stay away.

Run them over.

Put your wife on immediately.

Get her to work.

I don't mean the money, but I

And she's got to have the feeling that we want her.

She doesn't need the money at all, but I've concluded she's got to be hired so that she's got a job that she knows she has to work at.

We worked her out.

I never even heard of Bush.

As soon as Bush comes in the room, you come back and let me know.

No, I think she's great.

I like her very much.

That's good.

Well, it'll solve a problem for me.

I like women.

worth doing, and she will do a hell of a job with some things.

She'd rather work as a volunteer.

I won't have that.

I just want her paid enough so that she feels she's better.

That's right.

That she's needed and has a job.

That's right.

On the foundation, I do hope that Earth is going forward on some sort of a plan to get hay there and all out there and all out there.

It doesn't make a hell of a difference what it is.

It makes a difference for the rest of your life.

You keep dismissing it.

But what do we do?

We get it sold.

We can do it.

And there's a plan all of a sudden for starting on that.

And the plan is to do it before Congress comes back, which is, I think, what we should do.

I've got to say, yeah.

Is that a good point?

Yeah.

Or it'd be safer.

I don't know if they plan to take the whole committee or just, uh... Well, it might be better for others to take it.

No, I don't really have to be there, do I?

See, I've got to be there for Christmas.

You can do it then.

Uh, it might be better if you're not there.

I think it'd be better if the others go around and show up the whole thing.

Yeah.

The house will be open.

Okay.

Here it is.

The president's prepared to, of course, give this land.

You can also point out an F.B.N.

to the mountain.

Are you sure you want to do that?

I wonder if that is something we ought not to sell to the foundation.

We should be sold.

Hell yeah.

So you say the president will give them.

I don't think he ought to give them to them.

No, I think we should be sold to the foundation.

That's the way we can get some hard cash for the kids, which we, you know, for Pat.

Well, not for Pat, because you want her to keep it.

Yeah, she'll probably want to sell them.

but it should be sold at the market price and have a group of independent raisers in it.

That's where you're in.

You're short.

You don't have to buy it.

And it should be for that time.

But if I know it's there, it'll be worth a little more and more.

You still got the problem.

I don't know.

We want to come back on that further.