{"conversationCode":"228-008","tapeNumber":228,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-228-008","startDateTime":"1972-11-20T21:41:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-20T21:42:00.000Z","startDate":"20-Nov-1972","startTime":"4:41 PM","endDate":"20-Nov-1972","endTime":"4:42 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On November 20, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 4:41 pm to 4:42 pm. 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Colson\n                        -Council on International Economic Policy [CIEP]\n                              -Structure\n                        -Tenure\n                   -Confirmation problem\n\nHaldeman left at 4:42 pm.","filename":["228-008.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"228-007","nextCode":"229-001","transcript":[{"start":0.17,"end":28.6,"text":"Yeah, okay, the funny thing is, George had a long talk with him, and I, George, and Pete understands that he will not, he argues that a little bit, I, I, I, George put it in a little bit, he started with it, he put it a little bit long, because he said it wouldn't be fair to you, and I said, that is the thing, the thing is, the problem is, it's a very good administration to reopen all of this stuff, because it's"},{"start":29.44,"end":36.1,"text":"Sure, there's a problem with you, too, but that's one concern."},{"start":36.12,"end":41.79,"text":"The other concern is that we just aren't going to put anybody up who opens all the old holes and gets them right built or open an ITG right away."},{"start":41.81,"end":43.12,"text":"We just aren't going to get in on some pizza."},{"start":43.64,"end":62.84,"text":"On a personal basis, I'd welcome him to say, you know, I'm clean and I vote for him."},{"start":62.86,"end":63,"text":"I know."},{"start":63.02,"end":63.6,"text":"But in fact, he didn't argue."},{"start":63.62,"end":66.06,"text":"He just, you know, he just wanted to be sure the relatives understand."},{"start":66.08,"end":66.44,"text":"It was understood."},{"start":66.46,"end":66.6,"text":"Agreed."},{"start":66.62,"end":68.29,"text":"And George laid out the CIEP and the structure there and what needs to be done."},{"start":68.31,"end":69.17,"text":"He basically reviewed the whole structure."},{"start":69.19,"end":72.41,"text":"He's not sure whether, and he wants to talk with George and give some thought to how the structure came along and see whether it's really worked out best or not."},{"start":72.78,"end":92.27,"text":"If he goes, he'll go happily and healthily."},{"start":92.29,"end":95.29,"text":"If he stays, he'll stay and work hard."},{"start":95.31,"end":96.21,"text":"And that's what credit is."},{"start":96.23,"end":97.63,"text":"And George, I'll give you a quick report on what he's covered with."},{"start":97.65,"end":99.82,"text":"He really ought to leave for a reason."},{"start":99.84,"end":100.48,"text":"That's not a whole lot of money."},{"start":100.5,"end":101.5,"text":"That's stuff you just have to realize they're not."},{"start":101.52,"end":101.76,"text":"That's true."},{"start":101.78,"end":102.04,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":102.06,"end":102.32,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":102.34,"end":102.6,"text":"I don't know."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman discussed the political complications surrounding the potential Senate confirmation of Peter M. Flanigan for a position within the administration. The conversation centered on concerns that a confirmation hearing would invite unwanted scrutiny into past controversies, specifically involving ITT and the influence of Charles Colson. They reviewed the structure of the Council on International Economic Policy (CIEP) and reached a consensus that Flanigan’s future tenure should be managed to avoid damaging the administration’s public standing.","topics":["Peter M. Flanigan","Senate confirmation","ITT","Council on International Economic Policy","Charles W. 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