{"conversationCode":"230-001","tapeNumber":230,"conversationNumber":1,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-230-001","startDateTime":"1972-11-22T00:55:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-11-22T00:58:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Nov-1972","startTime":"7:55 PM","endDate":"21-Nov-1972","endTime":"7:58 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On November 21, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 7:55 pm to 7:58 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 230-001 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 230-1\n\nDate: November 21, 1972\nTime: 7:55 pm - 7:58 pm\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with John D. Ehrlichman.\n\n       [See Conversation No. 155-27; one item has been withdrawn from this conversation.]","filename":["230-001.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ehrlichman, John D."],"prevCode":"229-015","nextCode":"230-002","transcript":[{"start":0.13,"end":6.54,"text":"Yeah, hi."},{"start":6.56,"end":11.01,"text":"Fine, good."},{"start":11.77,"end":20.24,"text":"Well, we'll try to get Bill down and sort of gracefully now."},{"start":20.32,"end":26.73,"text":"Provided he doesn't build up some sort of a backfire with you."},{"start":27.21,"end":28.49,"text":"But he's got to understand it and do it."},{"start":28.51,"end":29.13,"text":"He's getting Milwaukee excited."},{"start":29.15,"end":29.84,"text":"That's what's happening right now."},{"start":30.24,"end":44.32,"text":"You have nothing, you don't know really what the hell Obi-Wan is."},{"start":44.68,"end":58.98,"text":"My own view is that I have thought that what you really want to do is just to say, you know, master the Italy, give it the time to make the change, and so forth."},{"start":59,"end":59.84,"text":"It may be that the other possibilities"},{"start":60.34,"end":72.02,"text":"Yeah, he has not indicated anything."},{"start":74.46,"end":80.17,"text":"He really hasn't been too well or anything."},{"start":80.39,"end":87.1,"text":"What you're feeling, we ought to be hardlining him, don't you think?"},{"start":87.12,"end":87.28,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":88.3,"end":89.38,"text":"Yeah, that's right."},{"start":89.4,"end":89.62,"text":"Yeah, good."},{"start":89.94,"end":96.93,"text":"Thanks, that's good work."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and John Ehrlichman discuss the management of an individual referred to as \"Bill\" to mitigate political fallout in Milwaukee. The two consider whether to adopt a \"hardline\" approach regarding his potential exit or transition. They conclude that the situation requires firm handling to ensure the individual understands his position and complies with the administration's goals.","topics":["Personnel management","Political strategy","Milwaukee","Administration transition","White House internal affairs"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T11:03:33.678Z"},"topicSlugs":["personnel-management","political-strategy","milwaukee","administration-transition","white-house-internal-affairs"],"audioDurationSec":102,"audioFiles":[{"file":"230-001.mp3","bytes":2452809,"durationSec":102.07,"bitrate":192251,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.205Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/230-001.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/230-001","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/230/conversation-230-001","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}