{"conversationCode":"235-005","tapeNumber":235,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-235-005","startDateTime":"1972-12-09T17:58:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-09T18:58:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Dec-1972","startTime":"12:58 PM","endDate":"9-Dec-1972","endTime":"1:58 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Drown, Helene (Colesie); Hirsch, William; Eisenhower, Julie Nixon;","description":"On December 9, 1972, Helene (Colesie) Drown, William Hirsch, and Julie Nixon Eisenhower met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 12:58 pm and 1:58 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 235-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 235-5\n\nDate: December 9, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 12:58 pm and 1:58 pm\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nHelene (Colesie) Drown and William Hirsch met with Julie Nixon Eisenhower.\n\n        Julie Nixon Eisenhower’s\n              -Laurel Lodge\n              -The President’s car\n\nDrown and Hirsch left at an unknown time before 1:58 pm.","filename":["235-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Drown, Helene (Colesie)","Hirsch, William","Eisenhower, Julie Nixon"],"prevCode":"235-004","nextCode":"235-006","transcript":[{"start":0.82,"end":1.5,"text":"You ready?"},{"start":4.41,"end":5.17,"text":"What's the matter?"},{"start":7.63,"end":10.66,"text":"Okay, well, we'll start walking toward Laurel, okay?"},{"start":18.79,"end":23.61,"text":"The President's car is ready whenever you'd like to go."},{"start":23.63,"end":24.11,"text":"Yes, ma'am."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"Julie Nixon Eisenhower met with Helene Drown and William Hirsch at the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David to coordinate logistics and movement. The discussion centered on transit arrangements, specifically the readiness of the President's car and the group's planned walk toward Laurel Lodge. The meeting concluded with the participants preparing to depart for these locations.","topics":["Camp David","Logistics","Transportation","Julie Nixon Eisenhower"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T11:13:58.746Z"},"topicSlugs":["camp-david","logistics","transportation","julie-nixon-eisenhower"],"audioDurationSec":29,"audioFiles":[{"file":"235-005.mp3","bytes":695275,"durationSec":28.83,"bitrate":192953,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.205Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/235-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/235-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/235/conversation-235-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}