{"conversationCode":"235-011","tapeNumber":235,"conversationNumber":11,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-235-011","startDateTime":"1972-12-09T21:00:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-09T23:50:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Dec-1972","startTime":"4:00 PM","endDate":"9-Dec-1972","endTime":"6:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On December 9, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 4:00 pm and 6:50 pm. 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(\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"235-010","nextCode":"235-012","transcript":[{"start":0.37,"end":0.79,"text":"Hello."},{"start":1.11,"end":1.35,"text":"Hi."},{"start":2.47,"end":7.5,"text":"Did you get a chance to talk to Bill again?"},{"start":7.51,"end":8.8,"text":"Hi."},{"start":8.82,"end":9.9,"text":"It's all fine."},{"start":10.14,"end":16.6,"text":"It's just that I'm in Vegas coming back."},{"start":16.62,"end":21.31,"text":"He's, you know, working on some things."},{"start":21.33,"end":21.93,"text":"He gets in on a lot of things."},{"start":21.95,"end":26.69,"text":"I think it's going to be incredible, and it has to be."},{"start":26.71,"end":26.97,"text":"It has to be."},{"start":26.99,"end":27.25,"text":"It has to be."},{"start":27.27,"end":28.09,"text":"It's a beautiful place down here, though."},{"start":28.11,"end":28.21,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":28.38,"end":53.11,"text":"I've got you back."},{"start":53.13,"end":53.23,"text":"Good."},{"start":53.25,"end":53.91,"text":"Meeting later with the Democrats."},{"start":53.93,"end":54.91,"text":"Didn't throw her out, but they elected her again."},{"start":54.93,"end":55.25,"text":"Remember Conley?"},{"start":55.27,"end":56.21,"text":"Conley had the view that they had another vote."},{"start":56.68,"end":77.11,"text":"That's going to be a tough break, not only for Holley, but for the Dallas Cowboys, who can contend to hit with a wild card position in the playoffs."},{"start":77.13,"end":77.97,"text":"They sure could use him a 14-year veteran."},{"start":78,"end":81.62,"text":"Well, most teams have had several injuries today, bumps and bruises, and, you know, that's what happens when you go to, like, the Western Braves, you can't come in with a game flat."},{"start":81.64,"end":81.74,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":81.76,"end":82.54,"text":"What is the committee on this case now?"},{"start":82.56,"end":83.14,"text":"It's not a problem, honestly."},{"start":84.15,"end":103.15,"text":"Dr. Ziegler wrote about Julie as a good point."},{"start":103.17,"end":106.09,"text":"He said, rather than making her the constant replacement, not just me, you know, put her in as a member of the social order, you know what I mean?"},{"start":106.66,"end":130.04,"text":"I agree."},{"start":130.06,"end":130.86,"text":"I think she'll just knock out the crowd."},{"start":130.88,"end":131.32,"text":"She'll get a knockout."},{"start":131.34,"end":131.76,"text":"She'll help us on PR."},{"start":131.78,"end":132.25,"text":"She'll get a big march."},{"start":132.27,"end":132.49,"text":"Yes, it is."},{"start":132.8,"end":150.62,"text":"We'll make it a job."},{"start":150.65,"end":151.97,"text":"We've got to be scrapping something other than giving her the job."},{"start":151.99,"end":152.39,"text":"Connie's job, maybe."},{"start":152.41,"end":152.99,"text":"I don't know how you do that."},{"start":153.01,"end":153.11,"text":"Okay."},{"start":153.13,"end":153.21,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman meet at Camp David to discuss staffing, public relations strategies, and the integration of Julie Nixon into official social roles to bolster the administration's image. The pair also engages in casual conversation regarding political appointments and professional football, highlighting the President's desire to leverage family members for political optics. No definitive personnel decisions are finalized, but they agree on the potential positive impact of Julie’s increased public presence.","topics":["Public Relations","Personnel Management","Julie Nixon","White House Staffing","Political Strategy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T11:14:31.781Z"},"topicSlugs":["public-relations","personnel-management","julie-nixon","white-house-staffing","political-strategy"],"audioDurationSec":159,"audioFiles":[{"file":"235-011.mp3","bytes":3809894,"durationSec":158.6,"bitrate":192176,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.205Z","transcriptGapSeconds":85,"transcriptGapShare":0.53,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/235-011.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/235-011","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/235/conversation-235-011","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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