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So how are you feeling today?

It's a point that's interesting.

You know that silly jackass Dean Sayre is known to lead a so-called market conscience to the White House tomorrow morning.

I wonder if there's some way that somebody could just walk out

He's only in the picture or some damn thing, you see.

You know what I mean?

I don't know.

He is such a pompous ass.

It's amazing that Woodrow Wilson could produce such a grandson.

That's right.

Oh, I know.

Do you want this?

They're the same ones.

Well, as a matter of fact, incidentally, we had a very good day yesterday on the military side.

We lost no planes, and they had over 70 over the target.

They just knocked the veggies out of them.

They're going right back in.

We're getting that damage, which is going to take a couple of years to recover from.

And that is very important in terms of whether this piece lasts.

I mean, the reason Japan and Russia had no stuff, or Japan and Germany had no stuff, or Russia, for that matter, no Russia, but the war, or doing anything later, was that they got what Jesus gave to them.

The same was true of the British and the French.

It takes a lot of people, a lot of people, even a lot of communists,

The star issue up here just didn't have that.

Well, it's not true in terms of the civilian part.

They're keeping their options open to them.

I was wondering if, just as a last hurrah for your bunch of sponsors, first of all, as you know, we have got to do, and I'm getting warm up here in Greenland, we're going to do this announcement very low TV and very matter-of-fact.

The rest, because we don't want to build up any euphoria.

And now, the advantage of that is that, well,

They were the ones that came through, as you know.

It's not us.

The line of the...

It's an interesting thing.

I don't know.

I think it lives itself in a hole.

They've always said at the bottom, whenever you bring people to the conference table, well, now, to get off of that, you put yourself in their position.

pressures in the United States.

The President knocked off the bombing and then they came back.

That's bullshit, of course.

Do you think they'll sell that line?

Right?

That's a problem.

That's, incidentally, a very important line to get across here, particularly to our majority in the Hawks and so forth and so on.

It is, however, one that we

as far as Saigon is concerned.

Therefore, I don't want any coming, basically, from the White House.

I don't know.

Do you have any ideas?

Well, now, for example, I would think some really good, maybe an op-ed piece in the New York Times ought to go in on this from somebody, you know, a

I think, for example, that you've got some people that are still, you know, they follow the television and the columns and so forth, and they don't, you know, the letters and the calls and so forth, and some of these people, they have a promise effect on them personally.

Now, I was thinking that, for example, all those that got off the map were wrong, so now if the bullet did it twice, it did it at the time of

and I've got it here in a bunch of things.

Or do you think they're doing any good?

Or is it just useless?

Yeah.

We get it to the editors.

Right.

I'm sure you don't, but I don't want to.

Henry, Henry is, he never talks to me, but when he says it, Scully has put out all the stories about the split between the president.

You know, he says, well, several senior journalists have told me that.

Henry, of course, is just... What's the trouble on that?

Why is he in what's coming?

Of course, as a matter of fact, he wasn't too concerned about that earlier.

You know what I mean?

Well, there, because we, this policy, boy, I've had to take it for 10 days, and it's very old, most of all days, all by myself, you know.

As usual, we have, to their credit, they got the old Rogers on vacation, but they took it cold.

But, yeah, but you can see, you see my point is, we have very few around that are saying,

In that parade, you know, most everybody was either silent or saying, Jesus, why do we have to do this?

So on that, yeah, yeah.

Sure.

Yes.

What do you think you could see in the science building?

Yeah.

absolute secrecy.

I just don't know.

What I meant is I'm trying to, I'm going back one step further to tell him that you can tell him that we cannot be, the main thing I have to remember is not the immediate public reaction to this which will be mixed because the libs will be, they will be enraged as they were ever made, you know.

Because they don't want their predictions proven wrong.

And when China becomes the world of bullshit, they don't have it found.

Well, we think it's, again, we all know that they'll take the line you suggested, or they will take the line that, well, the US is the one that did.

But I mean, that's a distorted, almost,

Totally vicious and false line.

That's what they'll do.

They'll do anything.

Maybe because they've said the other thing, I don't know.

And I think that with the...

So, I mean, you've got to tell him that he's got to forget he ever heard it.

Because if he's ever asked by anybody, he says he didn't find out until the following morning.

But it's on him if he never has it, but it's on him to let him know.

And that's the start of all that proposition.

And likewise, I'm not even sure that's what I'm getting at.

We're going to get the benefit of it.

I don't get the timing of the dates.

I'm just going to have to do it fairly soon so that we can get our thinking in line.

I'm getting more and I'm getting postured to answer to no comment and everything.

Unfortunately, Warren's a great guy, but he's no zigger, and so I've got to tell him every word he's to say, and Henry is giving him guidance, but Henry gives him guidance as he tries to get a zigger, which is totally impossible, usually, because he says, just don't answer the question.

What'd you say?

What zigger will answer?

If you say no comment, Henry doesn't answer.

Well, they shouldn't ask that question, you know.

Anyway,

But I've got to now.

I'm not going to keep waiting in line.

But the difficulty here is... Yeah, he knows how to do it.

Problem.

Yeah.

We've got to have that conclusion stated by

journalists and not out of the way.

I see the problem with the gut there, so I don't know whether it's hardly a thing.

In other words, I can't give them the facts because this has been going on for a week.

I'll get them off of the line if this is a game or an artwork.

When they come back, they will

All right, I'll tell you what to do.

You get Sally, and you talk to me, and you teach me some background.

I mean, tell me about it.

I don't think there is, is there?

In other words, we can't have labor leaders and others say anything.

I think some of them would do it on their own, but...

Yes, but for the main thing, we're going to avoid it all because of the line.

The White House is peddling a story that, see, that's what I'm concerned about.

So what do you, how do you get this bridging from there?

What do you do?

Got that, uh, uh, Kissinger's going to do it, which is better.

Okay.

We have that already positioned.

I've got it positioned for Pissinger to call Stennis, Paybear, Borg, uh, Goldwater.

No.

Can't trust him.

All right.

Yeah.

Better call him.

The reactor right anyway.

It's got a reaction.

That's all we have in mind.

I think we just have to trust the good sense of people.

I'm concerned you're not right with the fact that I think the Libs are... You see, look, they really were reveling in the fact that...

That's what this is all about.

It's their last gasp.

And when we end the damn thing, there's going to be something that says they're going to kill them, and they don't.

Do you want to get a call or two?

Okay, get a hold of Trev.

Get a hold of Trev.