{"conversationCode":"238-004","tapeNumber":238,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-238-004","startDateTime":"1972-12-30T16:51:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-30T16:52:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Dec-1972","startTime":"11:51 AM","endDate":"30-Dec-1972","endTime":"11:52 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Larzelere, Alexander R. (Cmdr.);","description":"On December 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Cmdr. Alexander R. Larzelere met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 11:51 am to 11:52 am. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 238-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 238-4\n\nDate: December 30, 1972\nTime: 11:51 am - 11:52 am\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with Commander Alexander R. Larzelere\n\n[See Conversation No. 158-42]","filename":["238-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Larzelere, Alexander R. (Cmdr.)"],"prevCode":"238-003","nextCode":"238-005","transcript":[{"start":0.5,"end":9.47,"text":"say, Mrs. Nixon is trying to go back to the White House tonight."},{"start":9.55,"end":12.06,"text":"She's looking right after we have finished."},{"start":12.18,"end":13.26,"text":"She's got to go by 7 o'clock."},{"start":13.36,"end":20.51,"text":"Tell me, the helicopter can get off from here, all right?"},{"start":20.53,"end":20.89,"text":"Can it?"},{"start":20.91,"end":21.63,"text":"Or what's the situation?"},{"start":21.79,"end":22.35,"text":"Let's see."},{"start":22.37,"end":22.49,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":22.51,"end":26.23,"text":"Well, in the event that the helicopter doesn't go, she'll go down in the car."},{"start":26.25,"end":27.39,"text":"You know what I mean?"},{"start":27.41,"end":28.43,"text":"So you'll check it out, will you?"},{"start":30.12,"end":33.55,"text":"She'd like to go around, have it all stand by between 7 and 7.30."},{"start":33.57,"end":36.51,"text":"Either the helicopter or the car, but she's going to go either way."},{"start":36.53,"end":41.16,"text":"But I prefer the helicopter since we've got things to send down anyway."},{"start":41.18,"end":42.99,"text":"And just save everything for that time."},{"start":43.01,"end":45.87,"text":"I mean, I've got some written material here that I've just signed up as to go down."},{"start":45.89,"end":47.26,"text":"But save it all, have it all go down."},{"start":47.36,"end":48.06,"text":"She can go on that plane."},{"start":49.02,"end":49.86,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":49.88,"end":50.18,"text":"Bye."},{"start":50.42,"end":50.74,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Commander Alexander R. Larzelere at Camp David to coordinate transportation arrangements for First Lady Pat Nixon's return to the White House. The President requested that a helicopter be prepared for her departure between 7:00 and 7:30 p.m., while also designating the flight as the primary means for transporting official documents and signed materials. Larzelere was instructed to ensure the aircraft was ready or to arrange for a motorcade alternative if weather or other conditions prevented air travel.","topics":["Pat Nixon","Camp David","Logistics","Transportation","White House operations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T11:21:50.102Z"},"topicSlugs":["pat-nixon","camp-david","logistics","transportation","white-house-operations"],"audioDurationSec":59,"audioFiles":[{"file":"238-004.mp3","bytes":1409951,"durationSec":58.61,"bitrate":192440,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.481Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/238-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/238-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/238/conversation-238-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}