{"conversationCode":"238-008","tapeNumber":238,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-238-008","startDateTime":"1972-12-30T16:54:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-30T16:56:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Dec-1972","startTime":"11:54 AM","endDate":"30-Dec-1972","endTime":"11:56 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On December 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 11:54 am to 11:56 am. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 238-008 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 238-8\n\nDate: December 30, 1972\nTime: 11:54 am - 11:56 am\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with Charles W. Colson.\n\n[See Conversation No. 158-46]\n\f                                               -4-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["238-008.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Colson, Charles W."],"prevCode":"238-007","nextCode":"238-009","transcript":[{"start":0.22,"end":19.93,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":19.95,"end":21.69,"text":"I'm going to have to call Henry and obviously get him set up with that balance of data."},{"start":21.71,"end":23.35,"text":"Before I do, I'd like you to give him a ring and give him a ring before he's done."},{"start":23.37,"end":24.45,"text":"And say, look, hey, everything is being done properly."},{"start":24.47,"end":25.05,"text":"They're loving this building."},{"start":25.07,"end":25.88,"text":"President's issue orders to that effect."},{"start":25.9,"end":26.72,"text":"And everybody's reacting very, very well."},{"start":26.74,"end":27.98,"text":"We just want to make sure that everything is going to be good."},{"start":28.84,"end":34.02,"text":"So because I don't want to call it a full load drill on the guard of that."},{"start":60.92,"end":70.26,"text":"Because would you just tell him, just say, Henry, you've got this."},{"start":70.28,"end":72.04,"text":"And the president would say that you talk to him, and he'd sit down and talk to him."},{"start":72.06,"end":74.59,"text":"Everybody does this, but we'll talk about one thing, that you can't control the economy."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon directs Charles Colson to contact Henry Kissinger to provide reassurance regarding ongoing administrative operations and personnel reactions. The conversation focuses on ensuring Kissinger feels supported by the President's directives as he prepares to receive additional data. Nixon emphasizes the need for a unified front to prevent internal friction, specifically noting the challenges of controlling the economy.","topics":["Henry Kissinger","Charles Colson","White House operations","Economic policy","Personnel management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T11:22:12.016Z"},"topicSlugs":["henry-kissinger","charles-colson","white-house-operations","economic-policy","personnel-management"],"audioDurationSec":90,"audioFiles":[{"file":"238-008.mp3","bytes":2167918,"durationSec":90.2,"bitrate":192276,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.481Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:09.226Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/238-008.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/238-008","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/238/conversation-238-008","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}