{"conversationCode":"238-013","tapeNumber":238,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-238-013","startDateTime":"1972-12-30T17:35:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-30T17:37:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Dec-1972","startTime":"12:35 PM","endDate":"30-Dec-1972","endTime":"12:37 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Moorer, Thomas H. (Adm.);","description":"On December 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Adm. Thomas H. Moorer met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 12:35 pm to 12:37 pm. 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(Adm.)"],"prevCode":"238-012","nextCode":"238-014","transcript":[{"start":0.54,"end":26.61,"text":"So Admiral, I just wanted you to send out a message to the various commanders who were involved in these operations in the past 10 days or so."},{"start":26.63,"end":28.91,"text":"You could say that we're talking presently."},{"start":28.93,"end":29.97,"text":"And all of this appreciation of the nation for their"},{"start":30.59,"end":55.09,"text":"courage and sacrifice of achieving a just and honorable peace in Vietnam."},{"start":55.12,"end":56.36,"text":"I think they should know that it is not going to go unnoticed."},{"start":56.38,"end":58.44,"text":"You know, with all these jackasses that have jumped to what we've done now, they see why we did it now."},{"start":60.71,"end":63.42,"text":"Great cause."},{"start":63.48,"end":79.33,"text":"The most important thing is the message you sent should be one that doesn't look like eroding or anything like that, you know, because we've still got to tell a lot of the good shit to do."},{"start":79.35,"end":86.64,"text":"But just to say that you have the president's presence and appreciation of the nation for their sacrifice and their courage in this difficult period."},{"start":86.66,"end":86.82,"text":"So he'll"},{"start":88.05,"end":104.77,"text":"You sent a message out to your name and said you were talking to the president alone."},{"start":104.79,"end":108.57,"text":"Do you want me to convey that to him for the new year?"},{"start":108.95,"end":109.51,"text":"Fine."},{"start":109.53,"end":109.69,"text":"Fine."},{"start":109.71,"end":112.61,"text":"This, of course, is a, well, we can't say it."},{"start":112.64,"end":116.14,"text":"This, as you know, involves this going to be a very significant frank capitulation by the other side."},{"start":116.16,"end":117.72,"text":"They would never go back to the table under this circumstance."},{"start":118.58,"end":131,"text":"We're saying the bombing would never have any effect."},{"start":131.02,"end":133.82,"text":"Well, it's had its effect, right?"},{"start":133.84,"end":135,"text":"Well, I'm not flying those damn planes."},{"start":135.02,"end":138.47,"text":"I'm not risking anything except a little politics that these guys risk their lives, and I know that."},{"start":138.49,"end":139.07,"text":"So, uh, that's what it comes."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon instructed Admiral Thomas H. Moorer to draft a message to military commanders commending the courage and sacrifice of forces involved in the recent bombing operations in Vietnam. Nixon emphasized the necessity of maintaining resolve and morale despite domestic political criticism of the air campaign, asserting that the pressure on the North Vietnamese had been effective. 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