{"conversationCode":"238-015","tapeNumber":238,"conversationNumber":15,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-238-015","startDateTime":"1972-12-30T17:38:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-30T17:38:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Dec-1972","startTime":"12:38 PM","endDate":"30-Dec-1972","endTime":"12:38 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Camp David Operator;","description":"On December 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at 12:38 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 238-015 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 238-15\n\nDate: December 30, 1972\nTime: 12:38 pm\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President talked with Camp David Operator.\n\n[See Conversation No. 158-53]","filename":["238-015.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Camp David Operator"],"prevCode":"238-014","nextCode":"238-016","transcript":[{"start":1.21,"end":5.46,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":6.6,"end":11.09,"text":"Oh, oh, no."},{"start":11.11,"end":12.04,"text":"No, no, no, no, don't bother."},{"start":12.05,"end":18.45,"text":"I can pass it."},{"start":18.47,"end":18.61,"text":"Try Mr."},{"start":18.63,"end":19.39,"text":"Rush, the Deputy Secretary of Defense."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon contacted the Camp David operator to facilitate an urgent communication with Deputy Secretary of Defense Kenneth Rush. The exchange was strictly logistical, as the President requested to be connected to Rush rather than receiving assistance from the operator for an alternative task. This brief interaction highlights the President's administrative efforts to maintain direct lines of communication with top defense officials while at Camp David.","topics":["Kenneth Rush","Department of Defense","Communication protocols","White House administration"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T11:22:51.342Z"},"topicSlugs":["kenneth-rush","department-of-defense","communication-protocols","white-house-administration"],"audioDurationSec":24,"audioFiles":[{"file":"238-015.mp3","bytes":579236,"durationSec":23.99,"bitrate":193185,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.206Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/238-015.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/238-015","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/238/conversation-238-015","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}