{"conversationCode":"238-021","tapeNumber":238,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-238-021","startDateTime":"1972-12-30T18:16:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-12-30T18:18:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Dec-1972","startTime":"1:16 PM","endDate":"30-Dec-1972","endTime":"1:18 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On December 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 1:16 pm and 1:18 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 238-021 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"CDHW","recordingDevice":"Camp David Hard Wire","latitudeEstimated":39.648333,"longitudeEstimated":-77.465,"chronCode":"5.2","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part II","chronReleaseDate":"2-Dec-2008","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 238-21\n\nDate: December 30, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 1:16 pm and 1:18 pm\nLocation: Camp David Hard Wire\n\nThe President met with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon.\n\n*****************************************************************\n[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]\n\n       The President’s schedule\n            -Football game\n\n[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]\n*****************************************************************\n\nMrs. Nixon left at an unknown time before 1:18 pm.","filename":["238-021.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"238-020","nextCode":"238-022","transcript":[{"start":4.45,"end":9.11,"text":"Wow."},{"start":13.24,"end":14.26,"text":"Clear out."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and First Lady Pat Nixon met briefly at the Aspen Lodge study to discuss the President's personal schedule. The primary focus of the discussion was the President's plans to attend a football game. The conversation was brief and concluded with the First Lady departing shortly thereafter.","topics":["Presidential schedule","Pat Nixon","Camp David","Personal activities"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T11:23:25.176Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","pat-nixon","camp-david","personal-activities"],"audioDurationSec":19,"audioFiles":[{"file":"238-021.mp3","bytes":451385,"durationSec":18.65,"bitrate":193588,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.481Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/238-021.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/238-021","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/238/conversation-238-021","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}